Besides Frodo, a complete snoozefest


Frodo's trek into Mordor is fascinating and would be an absolute 10/10 movie/trilogy standing alone; Sam and Gollum/Smeagol were perfect in their respective roles on the trek. Everything else, especially Aragorn and Co's war efforts was a struggle to get through. The whole time I kept thinking "okay go back to Frodo, this is boring." It's actually upsetting that Frodo's trek not only got less screen time, but they would show Aragorn for twenty minutes then cut back to Frodo for only 3 minutes at a time. It's hard to believe this is universally deemed the greatest trilogy of all time.

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It's hard to have a movie called The Return of the King and not show the activities and return of the actual King. There is a good chance that Frodo and Sam would not have succeeded if Minas Tirith had fallen and Aragorn was not able to take the fighting to the Black Gate, distracting Sauron and his minions from what was taking place within the borders of Mordor.

At the same time, I could have done without the Army of the Scrubbing Bubbles at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields and would have liked to see Aragorn gather a force from the Southern Fiefs of Gondor.

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I understand why they had to show the activities of the return of the king I just found that FAR less interesting than Frodo. Also, I wish there was a more even screen time sharing between Frodo and the others' activities in not just TROTK but throughout the trilogy

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Since this was based on a book and one held dear in the eyes of its many, many fans... I think the movie had to follow, pretty much, the structure of the Fellowship getting split up.

So, if that's unsatisfying to you, it's all on the book.

It's my observation that people tend to gravitate toward certain elements of the LOTR books and/or movies. Some folks love the battles. Some love the mystery and exoticness of the Elves. Some love the homeyness of the Hobbits. Some love the structure of Tolkien's writing and his love (and careful use) of words. Some love the Ents and their connection to Nature.

So, a person who loves battles usually wishes there were more. The person who loves the whimsical elements wished Tom Bombadil was in the movies. The person who loves Tolkien's language might resent when the filmmakers mess with that.

But the person who doesn't connect to the battles all that much might be mentally checking out during some of the fights. Or those that find Tom annoying are glad he wasn't in there.

I don't think one side is right and another wrong. I think people are just ... different. And LOTR is such a well constructed story full of depth that we can find lots to like about it.

Frodo's journey, as told by Tolkien, needed him to be isolated mentally and, to a fair extent, physically. If the Fellowship was all together throughout the journey and when the Ring was destroyed, it would have been a far different tale.

So it might worth thinking about why Tolkien isolated Frodo. What kind of tale is he telling when he sets Frodo and Sam out alone, without their friends and comrades, and put at the mercy of a highly unstable and untrustworthy Gollum, whom has his own history, attachment, and goals for the Ring.

He could have told the story of the Fellowship together for the entire journey, but he didn't. Why?

This isn't any criticism of your wishes and preferences. Just my sharing observations on how different folks love and wish for more of different things.

I think 'wanting more' is what drives a lot of people to write or read fan fiction.

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I agree with what you're saying, well said. However, it still doesn't explain why Jackson gave Frodo substantially less screen time than Aragorn when Frodo was the main character in the books. And even if you disagree with my belief that Frodo is the main character, the combination of Frodo and Gollum certainly are most prominent (in the books) as their stories are intertwined.

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Frodo begins as the central character of the story; and, he and Sam remain the main point-of-view characters. However, once the Fellowship splits up, the narrative becomes more of an ensemble piece, focusing on different characters at different times. It's an unusual structure but it works for the story that Tolkien is telling.

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That is one of the most intelligent replies I have ever seen on IMDB, thank you.

I will qualify that with, for those who have only seen the movies, and not read the books, or for that matter, read the other works of Tolkien concerning the plot, i.e. The Hobbit or The Silmarillion, I can understand some of the the themes may seem disjointed. The books are just so much better, and explain so much that is missing in the <admittedly> well made movies.

I find that a shame; there is such a rich, rich history to all of it. Many points were left out in the movies due to 'movie popularity' concerns, for lack of a better term. Sigh.

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The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King has lots to love about. I still get all sorts of feelings when I'm watching this movie.

Anger towards Gollum
Pride towards Eowyn
Love for Pippin
Tears for Faramir
Digust for Denethor
Not giving up for Frodo's trek
Friendship for Sam
Loyalty for King Theoden
Happiness for Aragorn and Arwen
Heroism for Gandalf
Pain for Gothmog
Worry for Legolas
Laughter for Gimli
Love for christopher lee/saurman
Good Deeds for Gondorians

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That's interesting. I had the exact opposite experience. Both when I watched it the first time and again when I rewatched it today. Frodo is so mind-numblingly slow paced and under constant pressure that his story just drags on and on. The amount of times he has fallen to the ground and expressed complete exhaustion over the course of his journey is just a waste of my time.

But then again, I didn't enjoy The Revenant much either. These endless exposes on how tough a journey can be are simply not interesting to me.

I did, however, find the rest of the story rather interesting. Gandalf seemed a bit impotent in this last movie, but other than that most of the characters got to shine somewhat.

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I think the simple answer is that the Frodo scenes didnt have enough content to linger on them. By that I mean, they would have burned through the ring quest way too quick if they showed too much of it. So they had to sprinkle it out in little bits. I also think if they showed more Frodo scenes it WOULD get boring and you might have said the opposite

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I was so bored watching this movie. The first two were good, but this almost put me to sleep. I don't get the appeal.

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Might as well forget the trilogy and do a 1 hour made for TV movie about Frodo.

Frodo bits was good but dragged on too long with repeated moaning and falling and arguing with Sam.

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Funny, I thought the Frodo parts were the most boring parts of the 3 movies. The whole story together how they showed it bits at a time before switching to another bit was perfect. It was the perfect mix of everything. The battles were epic, sounds to me like you might need to stick to chick flicks or something.

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