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Just as wrong as HIMYM finale!

posted 10 years ago by macdonald42
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Will and Grace was my fav show back then and I was gutted it was finishing. My best friend and I (a gay man incidentally) watched it together and had our hankies at the ready for the weeping that would ensue when the end credits came.

The end credits started..but our weeping didnt!

8 seasons of ups and downs, laughs and tears about 2 people who adored one another and were always there for each other..we'd invested many many hours into this show..and for what....

A finale where two people who'd meant so much to each other..and at the end just because Grace wanted to raise her child with its father they had the mother of all fall outs and didnt speak to each other...for EIGHTEEN YEARS!!!

I dont buy that..there is no way those two characters would not speak to each other for that many years & not be involved in each others lives.

After it finished my friend and I just looked at each other and did the 'WTF!' face!! Neither of us could believe that those characters would behave like that - it was like the episode had been written by someone who knew nothing about the characters and have never seen the show!

Then 'How I Met Your Mother' did the same thing..terrible ending to a great show!

Bad finales = bored and fed up writers = VERY disappointed viewers!!

[–] Mars70175 10 years ago

It happens. I couldn't have been closer to anyone than my college roommate for years, seeing each other just about every day even though he lived miles away in another town. We had a falling out and didn't speak for a couple years; him running away more than anything. We picked it back up later though. I would have kicked Grace to the curb ages before with the way she used Will as a crutch, then would have the nerve to be upset when he actually tried to help her with a problem. He just wasn't going to win with someone that much of a screwball.

[–] macdonald42 10 years ago

I think I just feel too close too it..as I am sorta Grace..my best friend & I used to date until I helped him realise he was gay. But I knew that I couldnt not have him in my life. He moved away for a year to work and when he came back I was engaged to someone else..fast forward 17yrs & hes both mine AND my hubbys best friend AND Godfather to our son..hes just amazing..and theres no way I could be without him. X

[–] fiero-49251 9 years ago

Sounds great! I'm so jealous! That bestie of mines disappointed me for the last time by exposing himself to be a Republican! He's a Mensa member, spoke German and Russian, but supported a party that HATEs our guts! Something's wrong with people who do things like that and it's never been the same between us! That would be just as insane as me, a black guy supporting the KKK! It doesn't make sense!

[–] NeverEclipsed 9 years ago

yeah the finale was terrible.. In retrospect I think the HIMYM finale was good, because in real life sometimes people die, and he still was a good father and moved on from it.. But this finale sucked, they meant too much to each other to go a whole 18 years without seeing each other. That was bitter-sweet with an over-dose of bitter. Although in reality I have noticed the trend where girls are done with their gay friends once they have kids, so if they were trying to make an artistic statement I suppose I get it, but it was too sad.

[–] ShizaMinelli 9 years ago

The plot points of the himym finale weren't my issue. It was the tacked on nature of them. We (pointlessly) have the entire season focusing on Barney and Robbins wedding and then in the last twenty minutes get "oh btw they divorced and mom died the end"!

When you're 17 a cow can seem dangerous and forbidden...am I alone here?

[–] ellakittykat 9 years ago

I actually find this to be a totally believable scenario and if you care to read on I will tell you the storyline my friendship that ended and maybe you will understand the reasoning behind it.
I am a straight female and my now ex best friend is a straight male. We met when I was 19 and dating his roommate. We hit it off immediately and I called him my best friend. Fast forward a few years and I got married, had a child (to whom he is godfather) then he got married and had a child. My husband was not too pleased about me having a male best friend to start with, especially one that I had slept with (yes we had slept together a handful of times but it was never a romantic relationship). I made it clear to my husband though that he was here to stay and if he didn't like it then tough, and he grew to accept it. Then my "best friend" did something that hurt my feelings so bad that I told him I never wanted to talk to him again. This may sound extreme but the thing is, this situation that hurt me was just the icing on the cake, the straw that broke the camels back, or whatever analogy you want to use. Much like Will's situation with Grace, there were many times when he felt that she didn't put him first and consider his feelings, then she chose Leo over him and that was what pushed him over the edge and made him cut ties.
18mths on and I still have not made up with my ex friend nor do I believe I ever will. I may eventually forgive him for the things he did that hurt me but I will never forget.

[–] Gothish 8 years ago

I understand Will's feelings, as Grace was a selfish user. But to have their children meet and fall in love and get married was just too unrealistic, and frankly just plain stupid. Terrible finale.

"Two gin and Frescas"
"Shaken, not ridiculed"

[–] Brodeh 8 years ago

But to have their children meet and fall in love and get married was just too unrealistic, and frankly just plain stupid. Terrible finale.

I totally disagree.

Throughout the series we are lead to believe that Will and Grace are soulmates and they were destined to be in each other's lives. In the finale Grace says Destiny is just something for young people to believe in and asks Lila if she believes in Destiny.

The long hiatus in their friendship is meant to make us question weather destiny is real and if they were really soul mates, but when their children meet randomly and in the exact same scenario that Will and Grace met, we realise that this was their destiny. To have children that will fall in love and have grandchildren that are both part Will and part Grace. Children who will get married and solidify them as a family. They will spend the rest of their lives sharing Christmas and Thanksgivings and Birthdays. An 18 year hiatus doesn't seem like such a huge price to pay for what they gained when you think of it that way.

It was important for Will and Grace to live their lives independently so they could create their own families. It was often a joke but their relationship really did get in the way of them establishing and nurturing other romantic relationships. The time apart was also necessary because if they remained close friends their children would've been raised basically as cousins, which would make it weird for them to fall in love as adults and would feel more like Will and Grace willing it to happen rather than destiny bringing the two together.

I think the finale is very bittersweet but absolutely perfect. I hope this post changes some people's minds and makes them go back and re-watch it through a different lens.

One of the most memorable scenes for me is when Will and Grace sing "Love Will Keep Us Together" and I truly think it was the love between their children that kept them together, not their love for each other.

Although, I was high when I watched this.

[–] dikran-kayfian-216-385914 8 years ago

I thought the ending was perfect. HIMYM sucked.