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Junuh hitting golf balls in the rain


I recently re-watched this movie for the first time in a long time. It's probably my all-time favorite movie (It's a toss-up between this, "Crossroads," and "O Brother! Where Art Thou?"...I love all 3 and know them by heart).

The scene that really struck me during this re-watch was the quick scene before the start of the golf match (and right after the part where Bagger lets Hardy be Junuh's forecaddy) where Junuh is struggling on the driving range hitting balls. As a golfer, all I can say is, "Man, have I been there."

I think that scene is supposed to symbolize Junuh's struggles in his personal life at the moment. He's going to have to face his demons at some point and he knows he's not ready to do that. Likewise, he knows his golf game as it was at that moment was not nearly where it should be, compared to Jones's and Hagen's.

I've definitely had my moments of poor play and feeling helpless on the range trying to "find" my golf swing again. I'd been fighting a snap hook with my swing for the past year. About a month ago, out of sheer desperation, I made a grip change and weakened my grip...and I'm finally back to hitting the ball like I'm capable of again. I think that's why that scene struck such a chord with me after seeing it again. It's a great little symbolic scene.

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Thank you so much for your response. I enjoyed reading it. I loved your analysis of how water is used in the film...I didn't really think about it the way that you mentioned it. Well done!

I agree again about Robert Redford as a director and the depth that he has. I know a lot of critics tried to paint this movie along the lines of, "Redford tried to make a golf version of 'The Natural ' but failed." While I do acknowledge that there are definitely flaws with this movie, I don't think he "failed." More than any other golf movie I've seen, this one makes me want to play golf more than any other. I appreciate the "spiritual aspect" of this movie and how it relates to golf.

Matt Damon and Will Smith was interesting casting. Damon's career was red-hot back then and he gave the film a big name. He really struggled getting the golf swing down (although the film does a pretty good job of concealing that), but he did fine, I thought. I think Redford wanted Morgan Freeman to play Bagger Vance, but Smith begged Redford for the role and Redford gave it to him. Smith was really big into golf back then and he had a pretty nice golf swing (in the one scene at night where he hits one). However, as you mentioned, it does seem that Smith was just too young to play Bagger Vance. Bagger needed to be older, I think...but, I love the movie regardless.

Also agree about Bruce McGill (and I'll also mention Joel Gretsch, who played Bobby Jones). McGill was fantastic...he actually has a physical resemblance to Walter Hagen and he was a pretty good golfer back in the day. He's been great in everything I've seen him in...terrific actor. By the way, regarding Michael Mann, Bruce McGill was in one of the best episodes of "Miami Vice" back in the 80s (played a cop who kind of went off the deep end, so to speak... it's a terrific episode), so I'm thinking the "Mann-McGill connection" may go back to that.

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Denzel Washington and Laurence Fishburne would have been really interesting casting. I wonder if either one plays golf...I believe Denzel played college football (I think I read that and I'm too lazy to look it up), so he has an athletic background (although we only see Bagger hit one ball in the movie, so playing golf isn't really a requirement for the character). But I remember that Redford originally wanted Morgan Freeman...I think he would have knocked it out of the park in that role also.

I like Gary Sinise a lot as an actor also... I've never seen "A Gentleman 's Game," so I'll have to search that one out. Thank you for the suggestion!

Yes, I like both "Caddyshack" and "Tin Cup" (and "The Greatest Game Ever Played"). "Caddyshack" is a classic (or at least a "cult classic"), even though I think it's one of the strangest movies ever made! πŸ˜€ I despise the ending to "Tin Cup"...as much as I really like and respect Ron Shelton as a director/writer, I think he goofed on the ending. But neither one really moves me like "The Legend Of Bagger Vance" does. Both "Caddyshack" and "Tin Cup" are pretty much comedies in nature, while "The Legend Of Bagger Vance" is more serious in nature. I love it to pieces, flaws and all.

You really know Robert Redford a lot better than I do. I have two older sisters that both had crushes on him when I was a kid. πŸ˜€ I love "The Natural" also and consider it a "masterpiece." It's just so well-made and"well-acted." I used to be a huge baseball fan in my younger days and, again, I think Redford did such a great job capturing the "heart and soul" of baseball in this movie.

Finally, I again agree that Bruce McGill is amazing. Just a great, great actor...he really portrayed Walter Hagen so well.

It's so nice to correspond with another fan of this movie... thank you!

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I loved "Dorf!" Tim Conway was such a funny guy... I watched that years ago and need to watch it again! πŸ˜€

I'm the same on "Bobby Jones: Stroke Of Genius" also. I need to watch that also.

I need to watch "Follow The Sun" also. My younger brother also plays golf (He's better than I am! πŸ˜€) and he's a big Ben Hogan fan. What a golfer Ben Hogan was. Awesome that you're a big Glenn Ford fan...I know him from seeing "Superman" when I was a kid and he was so great in that role.

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In interviews at the time, Redford talked about how the movie was heavily metaphorical. He said that the whole idea of β€œβ€the β€œloss of the authentic swing,” was symbolic and mythological. β€œA character falls into darkness and becomes disconnected. It becomes a journey back into the light.” He found golf in general to be a metaphor for life. I wonder if your bout with your swing was connected to some disorder in your real life; gripping too tightly connected to not letting go of some issue or person that you needed to put behind you?

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BeaSouth: "I wonder if your bout with your swing was connected to some disorder in your real life; gripping too tightly connected to not letting go of some issue or person that you needed to put behind you?"

That is an excellent question and it has definitely been true for me in the past (Heck, even PGA Tour Pros, who are pretty much "machines" when it comes to the golf swing, have struggled when facing certain crises in their personal lives). However, in this case, the answer is "no." While my life is certainly not perfect by any means, I'm doing pretty well today and feel very blessed and fortunate to be where I'm at now.

I think what it boils down to for me is this...the golf swing is just awfully darn hard to "master" (I'll never really "master" it, to be honest). It's so easy to fall into bad habits with it and diagnosing the actual "root cause" can be very difficult. In my case, I weakened my right-hand grip a bit (I'm a southpaw, FYI) and that has made all the difference in the world. Such a relatively simple fix...yet it took about a year for that to finally sink into my thick skull! πŸ˜€

Regarding the Redford quotes you mentioned, I do agree with him that golf is indeed a great metaphor for life. However, as the years have passed, I'm not so sure about the "mystical qualities" of the golf swing. I think it boils down to simple physics on one hand (i.e., the ability to repeatedly hit the golf ball in the center of the clubface). But also, especially at the PGA Tour level, the mental ability to focus and play your best golf when the pressure is on matters also. That is one thing I marvel at both Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods so much...how often they were able to play their best golf when they were under the most pressure and when it really mattered. There's a lot of "mental pressure" in golf, whether you're trying to win The Masters or trying to break 70/80/90/100, etc. It's part of what makes golf so challenging.

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