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Nuclear weapons are actually good


dont you agree?

if there was no nuclear weapons, we would have had a world war 3 by now

the fear of the weapon has actually kept everyone in check over the last 60 years, this movie showcases that

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Good point, but I will throw in two thoughts that contradict that idea.

1) Nuclear weapons may have made the superpowers more cautious, but they made up for it by raising the stakes. They made it somewhat less likely that the two superpowers would go to war, but they made it dead certain that if there was a war, nothing could survive it.

2) Nuclear weapons are only as good as the person who uses them. We got lucky in Cuba because Kennedy and Khrushchev were rational, and because they managed to resist the pressure of their own hard-liners. But imagine if Curtis LeMay had managed to push his agenda onto Kennedy, or the Politburo had done the same for Khrushchev. Leaders don't always act rationally and, again, nuclear weapons make it certain that one bad decision at the wrong time will make for incalculable consequences.


Denny Crane.

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Besides what's been said by other posters...may I add this:

We are closer to nuclear conflict now than since 1983, the last time we were on the brink with the Soviets. Except now, the number of small countries with nukes has increased and the likelihood of their use has expanded accordingly. When Pakistan and India first squared off with their arsenal of A-bombs in their hip pockets in the 1970s, it took a herculean diplomatic effort by the UK and US to keep them from blowing each other away.

Now, the Taliban is threatening to topple the Pakistani government. With proper respect to our Pakistani friends, the acquisition of viable nuclear weapons by a future Taliban regime in Islamabad would undoubtedly trigger a massive, preemptive military response from other powers from across the globe.

Would a foundering Pakistani government, about to fall to the Taliban, as a last act, ship their nukes safely outside the country...out of the fanatics' reach ? I hardly think so, although it would be the basis for a great action novel/movie.

Pakistan's government is under a state of siege from these radicals. Iran is racing to build their nuke. North Korea claims to have several "devices."

Do you remember a line early-on from the movie "The Peacekeeper" where Nicole Kidmann is talking to George Clooney on the aircraft where she says "... I'm not afraid of some country with thousands of nukes. I'm fearful of the man WHO HAS JUST ONE."

I'd say...in 2009...soon... the nuclear "genie" is about to go "poof" on the world's stage and "poof" may go one or more major cities from the earth. I don't see any easy way to stop it from happening.

Thanks for reading my comments.

CmdrCody

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With nuclear weapons we could have World War III

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. . .and nobody would win.

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maybe you should read One Minute to Midnight first

Kiwiboy62

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Another point to the OP that I should have mentioned;

Nuclear weapons did not prevent war. Rather, nuclear weapons shifted the theater of war from Europe to the third world; instead of fighting army to army in the Fulda Gap, which is what most people pictured when they said "war", we fought in proxy wars, revolutions, coups and counter-coups in just about every third world country.

Much was made throughout the Cold War of the fact that these weapons "kept the peace"; I suspect that people in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Angola, Nicaragua and elsewhere have a rather different perspective.

The Ingsoc regimes in "1984" had as its mantra WAR IS PEACE, meaning that war, by distracting the lower classes and directing any anger outwards, meant peace for the high Party officials. Same thing here; war for the third world meant peace for the West and East, but that's not the same as an actual peace.


Denny Crane.

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I'm sorry, but saying that nuclear weapons are good is just insane. They are the single most dangerous thing on our planet today and have been since 1945. One wrong move by some nutbar with some homemade bomb or a stolen warhead in his tent would be all that it would take for humanity to have a really bad day.

I understand how you're rationalizing that having them actually created the deterrent and the reason not to use them and there's some logic in that, but we are in a far more precarious position with them than without them.

Plus, I don't see how the movie showcases your line of thinking. It's a chronicle in dramatis of how perilously close we came to vapourizing ourselves and nobody in the film, or the writers of the screenplay or the book it came from would want to make a case for the holding of nuclear weapons as a 'good thing'. Your line of thinking is what got us to that point in the first place.

I'm signing off now and still shaking my head....

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Someone said, "One wrong move by some nutbar with some homemade bomb or a stolen warhead in his tent would be all that it would take for humanity to have a really bad day."

Do you think nukes are as easy to get as a carton of cigarettes?

One crazy nutbar cannot access a nuclear weapon. The only people who has access and utilize a nuke are largely developed, and some third-world nations. Terrorists do not, and will not get access to nuclear weapons... because they are far too guarded and too complex to detonate.

You're letting the sensationalist media get to you.

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True for the moment but less true every year.

It's also the case that the more nations have them the more one may calculate that perhaps they can try to use one and get away with it (obviously the delivery method wouldn't be a missile). Unlikely? Yes, absolutely, but less unlikely each year.

Still, I agree that the line "stolen warhead in his tent" is hyperbole and borderline racist, at the very least it shows a lack of sober reflection that only one organization has used nuclear weapons: The United States government. My concern isn't so much non-state actors but rather the increase in diplomatic complexity with each additional nuclear power and the possibility of manipulation of non-state actors by states.

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the possibility of manipulation of non-state actors by states.
What do you mean by that? My first thought was Pakistan's government manipulating Al Qaeda. But that doesn't seem likely.

Perhaps manipulation by "rogue" actors within a state? I'm sure there are many within Pakistan's government who would support an attack on the U.S.

Or am I way off?

Oh, my God! They're turkeys!

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Nuclear weapons are actually good?

That has to be the dumbest statement I've ever read. N. Korea has them, and so will Iran. Pakistan has them, and they're out of control, also. When Iran comes close to production, and the Israeli's are forced into attacking them, because of Iran's threats and potential proliferation to other terrorists, and we come to the brink of WWIII once again, or find one or two of our large cities nuked, perhaps you'll reconsider such a reckless statement as yours.

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Try convincing that to the living relatives of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks.

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It's called "mutually-assured destruction" and it's a methodology that has been around from since the dawn of the nuke age.

You're right, but you're also wrong. It is a great deterrent, but it is a technology that even the creators later regretted inventing.

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