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Dickie was COMPLETELY in the right...


...in every word and action on the boat,the films best scene. And those who call him a sociopath,his reaction to Silvanas suicide was very human,he got tears in his eyes and showed his hothead-side. Dickie is TOO good to him.
When they meet Freddie,I don´t think Freddie has said anything yet but he knows
Tom is an opportunist and a leech.

Dickie is actually not rude but seems embarrassed to blow Tom off,says he can borrow his Jacket and encourage him to sightsee....when Tom reminds Dickie off when the train leaves,Freddie laughs but Dick is not patronizing.


Tom wanting to share a bath with him was not even a dealbreaker,he tolerated it,not even thinking about the gay angle THEN,since he was so extremely in love with himself. He just found it weird....hitting Tom with a towel as nothing disturbing just had happened. But THE VERY UNDERSTANDABLE dealbreaker was Tom dancing like a queer to May I? in Dickies´clothes? How would you have reacted? If he got a gay vibe,I´m not so sure,he mostly found it awkward and irritating that Tom had used half his wardrobe.... That he use people and throw them away becomes more of a fact stated by the audience in seeing his relationship with Tom then something we actually get proof of.

Though his face often reeks of restrained contempt,Dickie bites his tongue on many occasions,not wanting to hurt Tom. Confessing Silvana was pregnant was nice fleshing out but it didn´t fit,he had growd tired of Tom by then and in the next scene he suggests their last trip.


Dickie is more perceptive and clever then we think,its just his narcississm and manic behaviour that keeps him from seeing the real potential danger. Tom LIED both about Princeton AND liking Jazz,Dickie sniffed that out,big lies that would really piss me off. If Dickie really is upset...doubt it,he seems more satisfied with being right regarding"we had a bet." Dickie should have thrown Tom away for those lies alone but so content with himself,he does not even hear the alarming words"I´ve gotten to like everything about the way you live. It´s one big love affair!!" Dickie doesn´t throw everyone away,he wants to throw Tom away and can we blame him? He´s a cheater,he deserved an asskicking but death at the hands of a pathetic,whiny,insecure psychopath? No way.

When they´re out on the boat,Dickie does his best to keep his disdain and annoyance to a minimum,he is way too polite for way too long. Basically every word outta Toms´mouth is borderline-psychotic/delusional.

"We can split the rent on a house and when we´re there.we´re there....especially with the Marge problem. You just blame me. You love ME,you´re not marrying me." That last line sends shivers up my spine everytime. Dickie has now reached his limit,responding with a hilariously honest"Tom,I DON´T love you. To be honest,I´m a little relieved you´re going. You can be a leech..."

FINALLY! Someone tells the delusional creep like it is. And Tom gets emotional,like all sociopaths,he projects his own view of himself on others"I´m not pretending to be somebody else and you are."

Tom seems to think being sexually and emotionally rejected gives him a free pass to say whatever he wants. Dickie just replies -Boring,To Toms pathetic ramblings. He KNOWS there´s something like when they played chess. -"Oh no,no,we´re brothers...hey!" Scumbag..YOU talked about brothers,Dickie seemed disturbed by it! Dickie looks genuinely confused-What evening? Meaning he either didn´t care Tom was gay or hadn´t really noticed...or cared,he was so used to positive attention from everyone,arrogance was his fatal flaw.


When Tom starts rambling about fu--ing Marge,ruining everybody,knocking up Silvana,even annoyed his fallen hero would switch from sax to drums,Laws acting(with no dialog) is magnificent,with the camera focusing on both characters. First he just laughs at how absurd Tom is. Then the insults get worse and he is like-Is this leech for real,giving Me crap?,face getting wrinkly.

He just turns his head and stares him down,let those who like to talk talk....when he finally lashes out and reacts,that is the movies highlight. With the threat of punching Tom,crybaby shivering as he is bitchslapped,that is just very satisfying...of course one punch=bruise would destroy the plot and Dickie is killed in the silliest of ways,"accidental" at first and he then says-I´ll kill you...you know,to make it selfdefense and crap on Highsmiths vision of Tom wanting his identity.

Still,Dickie was not a good person,he was flawed but he was much more direct,forgiving and didn´t want to be cruel,Tom created his own hell by living in a psycho-bubble were it was a fact he and Dickie was an item,more or less....Dickie is the films hero if it has one cause who the hell gave that leech the right and authority to lecture and discipline Dickie about his lifechoices just cause Dickie said he didn´t love him? All of us would react the same.

PS. An essay could be written about the difference between the book-Dickie or Phillippe Greenleaf from over-rated Purple Noon. Both are basically just unassuming murdervictims,easy targets,just lambs to the slaughter. Law´s Dickie and the boatscene symbolize everything that made the characterchanges so great. Arrogant,selfloving,manipulative yet brutally honest,manic, volatile,tolerant,polite,unfaithful....his Dickie is another animal altogether and becomes the perfect foil and antagonist instead of the bland book one.

Both Law and Damon deserved Oscarnoms,glad atleast one of them got one. Was Dickie in the wrong of his treatment of Tom or was he way too harsh and cruel?

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I agree. I empathize with Dickie because I had a "friend" like Tom. She was obsessed with everything that I did and constantly acted like a sad puppy dog begging for any morsel of attention. It went a lot deeper than that and that might sound harsh, but after years of her Single White Femaling me, I started to lose patience. Dickie lost his patience before I did, and my "Tom" ended up killing herself instead of killing me.

I don't have much in common with Dickie, but my similar personal experience makes me side with him and not feel any sympathy for Tom at all. I don't approve of him cheating, but that doesn't make him a sociopath. I don't think Dickie was harsh or cruel to Tom. He let a creepy stalker mooch off of him for who knows how long. He accepted Tom into his orbit and if Tom hadn't mucked things up by being weird, he probably could have stayed indefinitely.

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He used Tom. Dickie was a leech on his father. He is nothing but a bum himself living on someone else's money. How is he any better than Tom or deserving of sympathy? Neither was a sympathetic character and Marge wasn't either. She was weak and shallow. She let herself be duped and used by Dickie who was just as much a user and con artist as Tom. He deserved to die and I felt no sympathy for Dickie dying or Freddie, another useless arrogant t elitist snob prick.

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Dylan's was worth more than a hundred Dickies and Freddies, pampered snobs who ruin other people and use them and look down their noses and then cry fake tears when they kill themselves.

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It sounds like you just really hate rich people.

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Dickie is a leech living off his father who should have cut him off and let him see what it's like without money and no way home. He was a snob and an irresponsible prick who cheated and got girls pregnant and left them. He only felt remorse when she died and be realized his guilt. He was a sociopathic rich elitist do-nothing scum.

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Yes,Dickie felt remorse and guilt when Silvana killed herself...even after killing Dickie,Tom felt basically no remorse or guilt the film change the plot so extremely from a planned murder to crime of passion,it is just sad when the perfect resolution would be in between;When rejected and bitchslapped....if he can´t have him,become him.

This is not a money issue at heart,though it factors in,it is about the relationship between the characters...Herbert maybe should´ve cut Dickie off but didn´t...so Tom handing out life lessons after being welcomed into Dickies world,disciplining Dickie after being rejected is pathetic...Dickie held his tongue for a looong time,he let alotta inappropriate shi- slide,trying to get rid of Tom in a polite manner....


That he use people for the moment and throw them away is just pure speculation,except Silvana. He was friends with Peter,a gay man and hadn´t discarded him. Freddy,Marge,Fausto....all we have is Marges words which basically says that his attention is wonderful but when you don´t have it,life sucks. Dickies charisma sucked people into his orbit,he didn´t really analyze why or how,he just lived. His arrogance became his downfall...

When Tom said the psychotic line-You love me,you´re not marrying me...naturally,Dickies strained,ill-concieled contempt for him could no longer be controlled. Dickie let him say the most personal,insulting and twisted things before exploding....and putting Tom in his place was the films highlight for me. Dickie was a spoiled,arrogant,cheating jerk who deserved an asskicking... but not to be suckerpunched and murdered by a sociopathic, leeching,insecure,manipulative,homo-supressed lunatic.

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I agree with this. I maintain that Dickie was furious that Tom had turned out to be a predatory homosexual as well as a fraud and had completely duped him, and he was humiliated that Freddie spotted this immediately. I had never considered that Dickie had taken Tom out in the boat to give him a good fright (or even kill him) as payback, but it is plausible.

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Tom definitely shows remorse, through the tears he cries at the opera in a staged death scene. He has nightmares and he's increasingly nervous and makes mistakes. He's not a cold blooded killer, he hasn't got the fortitude for it.


I agree with this also, and do not see Tom as a psychopath or sociopath as others here do. Mistakes? He's about to kill Meredith with a razor, with Herbert Greenleaf, the detective and Peter around and Freddie's murder investigation in full swing.

He's sensitive and talented, but also an insecure outsider with no connections or resources. He's inexperienced and naive, as well as a poor strategist. It would be interesting to see a sequel, but the film left such big plot holes, ie, Peter's disappearance and the Logues future report that they had seen Dickie Greenleaf on the boat, that a logical sequel isn't possible.

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totally agree, tom offered him him clothes, a place to stay, introduce him to his social circle.....

people give tom a pass for being "poor" while hating dickie for being rich, another person calls dickie a leech, leeching off his father, but at least it was his father, what did tom do to deserve all those expenses and a 1000 bucks, and later more?

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Yeah, but that was an agreement between Dickie's dad and Tom. Tom was at least earning his $1000 (or attempting to earn) plus expenses. Dickie didn't do anything to earn his money. The truth is, Tom, Dickie, and Freddie were all seriously flawed individuals.

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Herbert Greenleaf offered Tom a job which he attempted to carry out to the best of his ability. However, he took the job under false pretences. He misrepresented himself and his qualifications, ie, he had not been in Dickie's social circle at Princeton, and he did not know Dickie personally, as he led Dickie's father to believe.

We do not know the source of Dickie's money. It could have come down from a trust left to him by his grandfather. After all, if Herbert Greenleaf had been the source of Dickie's funds, and he disapproved of Dickie's lifestyle, why would he need to hire Tom to persuade Dickie to return? He could have just cut off the funds.

"I am always happy to engage in POLITE discourse."

De gustibus non est disputandum.

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"another person calls dickie a leech, leeching off his father, but at least it was his father"

Oh, so that makes it OK?

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It was a fund that Herbert Greenleaf had set up for him....he has no plans of cutting him off,he wanted Dickie home. You can call it leeching"that is nobodys business but the familys". Doesn´t make it ok or not ok,it is just a fact that some have rich parents.

Dickie had grown tired of Toms clingyness,semi-homo advances,lack of character and much more...EVEN IF Tom had done zero wrong up until then,the psychotic line-You love ME,you´re not marrying me! Would be more then enough...and that´s even after"The Marge problem" when Dickie couldn´t keep his strained facade and showed him his contempt and what he truly felt...he was way to nice for too long and confessing to Tom about Silvana was a horrible script solution....exposition.

Dickie also meant,a Leech,as in clingy,someone who is on you like a tic(-Can´t turn around without DICKIE,DICKIE,DICKIE like a little girl All the time!!) and sucks the joy outta life and...I agree. And a closet homo,insecure, sociopathic, manipulative,soulless punk is gonna lecture Dickie on life cause he is rejected? Dickie let him talk alotta shi- before reacting,even shrugging it off.


The films highlight is Dickie lashing out and bitchslapping Tom...anyone who think Tom is in the right on the boat is either deranged like him or just fell trap to Minghellas playing-it-safe-trap....to get you to totally sympathize with him and understand his pain,although the first half of the film is basically told from both characters perspective,with slight more focus on Tom.

It´s a characterstudy of both guys... Dickie was a douche and deserved an asskicking for cheating,not to be suckerpunched and murdered by"the guy who rally didn´t mean it,you know...accident."

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If I had to guess, I'd say a lot of the anti-Dickey comments are a result of resentment towards him based on his lifestyle. I think we are meant to like Dickey, just as Tom does. He may be vain, but that's balanced by his charm and kindness towards Tom.

I also agree that he's right when he confronts Tom on the boat (altough, to be fair, I don't think it's wise to be that honest when you are stuck on a boat with someone in the middle of the Mediterranean!).

In a way though, I think that's beside the point. Since the movie is told through Tom's point of view, we are meant to sympathise with his feelings. It's human nature to be hurt when someone you like rejects you (whether it's a friend or a lover). Few people are able to look at the situation objectively in the moment and see that the other person has a point. They feel hurt and last out in response. In that sense, it doesn't matter whether Tom is at fault or not, whether he actually is a leach or boring. His reaction is understandable, even if we can't condone it, and that's the main point.

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this is why I can only watch this movie until they're on the boat. I have complete sympathy for dickie and cant stand tom.

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Yeah, Tom was a bitch and a c---t.

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How can people say Dickie deserved to die? What the hell? Sure, he was a flawed person but that doesn't mean he "deserved to die". That's way too extreme.

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Dickie didn't deserve to die, but he made a fatal error in not realising that Tom was an unstable, potentially dangerous con artist whom he had invited to live in his home and share his life.

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Dickie was an idiot but he wasn't that bad, he wasn't a "psycho" or something like that, like Tom.

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Yes you for the most part are correct. In the first place, Dicky only keeps hanging g out with tom bcuz he finds out his father is paying tom and he doesn't get a super huge allowance so he resents tom getting paid and gets him to buy what he and Marge want. Matt Damon plays tom so well, all the little creepy things he does. Dicky is pretty tolerant and sincere . Dicky's name suits him well though, he was a cheater, and coldheartedly gives the Italian girl no love or help and she kills herself. Freddy is clearly a rich snobbish bastard and immediately sniffs tom out as lower class ..."heh heh courderoy in Italy can you imagine" If I was dicky I'd have been creeped out way before they're at the table and tom let's him know he wasn't really at Princeton and preferred classical to jazz. Dicky was pretty authentic, just your average rich boy sense of entitlement. Toms the one playing all the games.

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Dickie doesn´t have unlimited funds but come on...look at how the dude is living. Luxury....Toms cash is a very minor bonus and mostly goes to Tom,actually Tom likely spends more then he gets from Dickies father. Dickies´ reason for wanting him around was,as he said-"He makes me laugh.",as a response to Marges gently opposing Tom moving in with him .

No,he doesn´t RESENT Tom getting payed in any way,that´s not his issue...you think he is walking around in Italy with this needy leech 24/7 cause he resents Tom getting money when they,on Dickie´s initiative,starts stringing his dad along for more cash when Dickie has no intention of going back? Nah...


Dickie was creeped out when Tom was dancing infront of the mirror to Crosby(No Jazz there) and the face on his morning the next day is one of illhidden contempt. At first I thought the queer dancing scene and Dickie saying Freddies downstairs was a weird moment to let that creepy,Yared score with the ominous bells to kick in but of course,it makes sense,things are about to change for the worse for Tom,in more then one sense...


What annoys me a bit is Minghellas changes regarding Dickie. He is cooler,not an easily defeaten adirsary,charismatic,low impulse control,manic,more fleshed out...but both smarter and WAY dumber. I get that this guy is in loe with life, himself,a manic narcissist but....

In the book,Dickie sniffs out Toms sexual"confusion" when he sees Tom gaze upon a bunch of dudes in the water,just briefly,he starts taunting Tom,singing gaymocking lyrics,which makes Tom see red and is the final straw,Dickie has to die...but he never sniffed out Toms lies in the book,details one thinks he would´ve discovered sooner or later,Freddie or not.


BUT....he is TOO polite here for too long,a ticking time bomb it turns out,though we see what Tom refuse to see without him uttering the words. The complete obliviousness regarding Tom being gay though,even on the boat makes little sense...maybe sexual orientation didn´t bother him(He was friends with Peter after All and NO,Dickie was not bi) that much but Clark Kent,the bathtub,come on...


He was so full of himself that even when he catches Tom with both lies,Jazz and Princeton,stuff Tom could´ve denied,especially Jazz but Dickie read him good there,knowing the motive...(We don´t know what and when he suspected something regarding that and how much that bothered him,remember him saying condescending but without ill intent while sailing-Such low class,Marge,does this guy know anything?(Lines that don´t really jive with the rest of Dickie,Minghella suddenly has to point out he feels superior and look down on the less fortunate,though so much of his behaviour says-I don´t care,as long as you entertain me.)and still accepts him...,the dance infront of the mirror seems like the trigger to me)he is so pleased with himself and having won the bet,he doesn´t hear the creepiest,loudest alarm of all-"I love everything about your life,it´s one big love affair!",which made my skin crawl.

Not dumb but his narcissism and arrogance made him ignore the signs...being gay was a way smaller issue then Tom having a character trait Dickie despised...being boring.

Tom was a leech,though I think Dickie meant clingy and needy in that sentence...the mooch part when he bitchslaps Tom(Sooo satisfying,yeah?),I think seperate the two meanings,though leech CAN mean being a moocher.


Sadly,Dickie held up his strained facade too long and his"Tom,I don´t love You!" is one of the most believable lines ever,as he says it spontaneous without even looking at him,just sickened....yeah,Dickie was a douche in many ways,he was flawed.But not a psycho who projected his own insecurities on others...and the contrast regarding him not helping Silvana and actually feeling really guilty compared to Toms"love" for Dickie,meaning obsession and how he just goes from cuddling with Dickies corpse too moving on within the hour says so much about these two guys and their difference.

The doomed prey is passionate and secure in himself and does have real feelings,however fleeting or misguided,the chameleont WANT to have real,true feelings but since he is a hollow shell without an own identity,that becomes a transparent and naturally ultimately,selfloathing disposition.

PS.Why confess to Tom about Silvana,though,especially when he seems annoyed and done with him...? Exposition not possible in any other way since Tom has to be in EVERY scene? Maybe but it feels outta character...

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PS.Why confess to Tom about Silvana,though,especially when he seems annoyed and done with him...? Exposition not possible in any other way since Tom has to be in EVERY scene? Maybe but it feels outta character...


He couldn't exactly discuss it with Marge.

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No,he could not discuss it with Marge. So those were his options,either talk to his soon-to-be wife about his cheating and treatment of Silvana or tell a clingy,creepy leech he is weary of...who he in basically the next scene tells to piss off?

Those sound like terrible options and although Dickie wasn´t the sharpest tool in the shed,sharing that info would gain him nothing and could likely be used against him so again...it´s exposition and fleshing out Dickies character to give his presence and demise more dramatic weight and importance.

It worked but it still didn´t feel completely organic,he had admitted to himself he had been a POS,he wouldn´t feel the need to share.

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What happened to Silvana was tragic, and Dickie rightly felt terrible about having caused her so much pain that she took her own life. He expected that Tom would not judge him, and this proved to be correct. Tom even offered to take responsibility. But this did not ease Dickie's guilt, and made him think even less of Tom.

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