I feel like someone has to tell you because clearly you can't discern for yourself. At least not logically.
Well, you copied my list of Scream 2 criticisms, so that can't be your real opinion of my discerning capabilities.
But this coming from someone who says the criticisms coming from fans of the first two movies automatically don't make logical sense. You really have to stop talking about logic, you're the most illogical person on these boards.
It sounds like I'm listing you reasons as to why they're acting the same
No, you're simply saying, "they were the same and Gale was still media hungry". Sidney was the same, but she was "hardly there". Dewey was not as drastically different, but he was a more of a caricature of himself. And I don't believe he would work as a technical advisor on trash like Stab, just because someone wanted a file on Sidney. You know exactly what I mean with Gale, I'm not the first person to bring up how Monica-like she acted. And let's not even mention Randy, they reduced him to nothing more but a stupid gimmick.
Gale being bitchy with Sidney in 2 made no sense and just felt repetitive.
And how about Gale being bitchy in Scream 3? Her arguments with Dewey were just a rehash of the ones in Scream 2, only with Gale especially acting over the top.
2.But the death scenes were not more elaborate or graphic by any means.
They were not more elaborate, but I actually do think the deaths of Ghostface's victims were somewhat more bloody and graphic. But that doesn't even matter, because the first movie didn't follow Randy's rules either. The point is, I don't think Randy is wrong by claiming sequels are generally more elaborate or graphic. The rules in Scream 3 however, were complete nonsense and had nothing to do with the horror genre.
And the third rule? Oh that's right, we don't even get to hear the third rule in a scene that exists purely to tell us the rules. Hmmmmmm. Relevant.....
Who knows, maybe it was relevant. But it was a joke, I can't believe you're getting so anal about that.
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InTheHub
9 years ago
You know exactly what I mean with Gale, I'm not the first person to bring up how Monica-like she acted
Yes. I agree. That's Courtney's
Performance, not the character being different. If Courntey played those same lines less Monica-Like, there would be no problem. The lines and character traits are still the same.
Her arguments with Dewey were just a rehash of the ones in Scream 2
Not really...because they added Jennifer and made it a love triangle. He also had more reason to be fighting with her in 3, she just left him, it's a way better reason than him being offended she made his character in an exaggerated book dimwited.
And I don't believe he would work as a technical advisor on trash like Stab, just because someone wanted a file on Sidney.
Really? Why not? He was on the first flight to Windsor College and stayed there the whole time in the second film because she was in danger. Gale had left him, why wouldn't he take a high paying job and try and investigate the cast and crew?
The rules in Scream 3 however, were complete nonsense and had nothing to do with the horror genre.
Why not? 1.Anyone including the main character can die, Nancy died in Dream Warriors, Ripley died in Alien 3. Jigsaw and Amanda died in SAW III.
2. The past will come back and bite you in the ass..That applies to most third chapters in horror. Nightmare, SAW, Psycho, Friday 13th...etc
3. The killer being superhuman usually applies to most horror sequels in general, yet alone third chapters.
ALL of these have something to do with the horror genre.
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
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Stratego
9 years ago
Yes. I agree. That's Courtney's Performance, not the character being different.
Well, did I say the character was written differently? No, I said she acted differently.
Not really...because they added Jennifer and made it a love triangle.
Oh yeah, big difference. And he still went on about how bitchy she was and how she only cared about her career, just like in the second movie.
it's a way better reason than him being offended she made his character in an exaggerated book dimwited.
Clearly it was about more than that, the fact that she had made money and fame off of a tragedy and over the backs of the other victims.
He was on the first flight to Windsor College and stayed there the whole time in the second film because she was in danger.
Because people actually got murdered. He was already working on the movie before anyone got killed or threatened. And flying over to protect Sidney is not the same as getting closely involved with offensive trash like Stab.
Why not?
Because he's speaking about trilogies in general, none of the movies he mentions are even horror movies. Horror movie trilogies with a concluding third chapter are not rare, they don't even exist as far as I'm aware. Those movies you mentioned aren't trilogies either. The only thing I can agree on is that killers seem to get more superhuman in sequels. And the remark about something being revealed that "we thought was true, that wasn't true", is complete nonsense as well.
I'd like to point out that I appreciate you replied without any personal attacks or childish accusations. I hope we can continue like this.
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InTheHub
9 years ago
none of the movies he mentions are even horror movies
And Scream 2 started that trend..When they discuss sequels they only mention Empire, T2, and Godfather. Why not mention Halloween 2 or other Horror sequels?
It started in Scream 2, not Scream 3. Scream 3 was just continuing that theme. So why not call out that same criticism of Scream 2...?
As for Dewey, he was getting involved with Gale in Scream, who at this point Sidney hated. Morals don't count for much for Dewey where Gale is concerened, only when she upsets him personally.
I just don't believe you have a problem with him being a technical advisor...It tied him more into the plot and even gave him more to do than the second film.
Just like I don't believe you have a problem with Gale and Dewey sparring..That's them!!! That's the characters...Even in Scream 4.
It's not unusual or out of character in the third film. Therefore it's not a problem.
It's like complaining how the odd couple are the odd couple.
I'd like to point out how nice it is not to be accused of being Ehren Krueger or how I'm in the minority so who cares. Hope we can continue like this.
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
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Stratego
9 years ago
And Scream 2 started that trend..When they discuss sequels they only mention Empire, T2, and Godfather. Why not mention Halloween 2 or other Horror sequels?
They mention House: The Second Story in that same conversation. Randy also mentions college themed horror movies on the phone. The point is that Randy refers to those non-horror movies when discussing the horror movie rules. That's the difference. The first movie also mentioned non-horror movies, but in a different context.
I just don't believe you have a problem with him being a technical advisor
Now you're being childish again. AND paranoid.
It tied him more into the plot and even gave him more to do than the second film.
I would've found it more believable if he had done it AFTER Cotton had been murdered. I don't buy his closeness to Jennifer either.
Just like I don't believe you have a problem with Gale and Dewey sparring..
I never said I had a problem with them "sparring", not in Scream 3 OR 4.
I'd like to point out how nice it is not to be accused of being Ehren Krueger or how I'm in the minority so who cares. Hope we can continue like this.
I never said anything like that, you're barking at the wrong tree here. So you're just being childish and paranoid again. What a shame...
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InTheHub
9 years ago
Please stop with this "bigger" person stunt.
The whole bunch of you, (I've even forgotten some of the names) there was a MovieBuffBrad in there and a weheaoks, were like a gang that were virtualy indistinguishable(at least I'm original) and the second anyone said something positive about the third film it was like an opinion onslaught.
Literally the first day I joined imdb. I was actually accused of being Ehrehn Krueger, being any other user who agreed with me...Just ridiculous.
I even got banned from Scream.net for no reason whatsoever, except for liking and defending Scream 3.
You guys clearly were used to everyone just saying yes to your opinions and the fact that I continue to stand my ground insults you.
Sad.
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
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Stratego
9 years ago
Please stop with this "bigger" person stunt.
It's no stunt, I'm just asking for a civil and mature discussion. See how it was possible for us to do that in those two posts without resorting to childish accusations?
the second anyone said something positive about the third film it was like an opinion onslaught
That's complete nonsense, I've never had any problem with anyone saying something positive about Scream 3. There are tons of threads on here saying positive things about the movie, and I haven't even responded. And if I did, I simply disagreed with the poster, which apparently is even too much for you too handle.
And wehoaks was a f-ing troll, I can't believe you're still crying over that.
Literally the first day I joined imdb. I was actually accused of being Ehrehn Krueger, being any other user who agreed with me...Just ridiculous
Just as ridiculous as you saying that I'm in love with Kevin Williamson.
I even got banned from Scream.net for no reason whatsoever, except for liking and defending Scream 3.
If that's true, then that's completely ridiculous. If you acted like you do on this site, then it's no surprise.
You guys clearly were used to everyone just saying yes to your opinions and the fact that I continue to stand my ground insults you.
Your childish behavior is what bothers me. I began to regularly visit these boards around the same time you joined, and I have had people disagree with me from the very beginning, I have no problem with that. You were actually very reasonable in the beginning, but two years ago you started acting paranoid and immature. I've no idea what that's about, but don't bother me with it.
Sad.
I'm sure you are.
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InTheHub
9 years ago
It's like talking to a wall.
I am actually going to call you out on trying to ever so subtly trying to steer away from the point, so I'll ignore any comments that aren't directly about the movies from now on.
So you admit Sidney and Dewey were the same. Gale only "acted" differently...So was the whole film verging on her performance? If your a big Gale fan I can see why you would prefer 2 over 3, her look alone is very unflattering in Scream 3
The reason the horror film talk is absent in Scream 3 is largely because Randy is no longer there, he was the main voice referencing horror especially in Scream 2.
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
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Stratego
9 years ago
It's like talking to a wall.
Hilarious. I actually addressed everything you said.
so I'll ignore any comments that aren't directly about the movies from now on.
Don't make any such comments yourself then.
So you admit Sidney and Dewey were the same.
Well, I will say that Dewey ACTED the same for the most part. Although, now that I think about it, did Dewey actually have any funny lines? He seemed too serious. Sidney was hardly there, I know why, but it still affects the movie.
So was the whole film verging on her performance?
No, but it did contribute to the movie not feeling the same, especially since a lot of the focus was on her.
If your a big Gale fan I can see why you would prefer 2 over 3, her look alone is very unflattering in Scream 3
I think her look is VERY distracting. I wouldn't call myself a "big Gale fan", but I enjoyed her character in the first two movies, this one not very much.
The reason the horror film talk is absent in Scream 3 is largely because Randy is no longer there,
I see your point, but they did put him in especially to have some horror movie talk and they could've done a better job. The other movies also had other characters talk about (horror) films, why not use Roman, the movie director, for example, in the same way?
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InTheHub
9 years ago
did Dewey actually have any funny lines?
Plenty I would say. "Is that a threat?!" is priceless. I wouldn't say Sidney is hardly there, her screentime is reduced, but it never felt like she wasn't the centre of the story.
The other movies also had other characters talk about (horror) films
Scream did, but I'm struggling to come up with anyone else in Scream 2 who mentions horror films that isn't Randy, with the exception of the HOUSE 2:The Second Story joke.
Any help?
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Stratego
9 years ago
"Is that a threat?!" is priceless.
Meh, I actually thought Arquette went a little too over the top with that line, especially after being so serious just before. I certainly didn't think it was "priceless". Overall, he wasn't bad, but too serious.
I wouldn't say Sidney is hardly there, her screentime is reduced, but it never felt like she wasn't the centre of the story.
Then we just have to disagree on that, especially since so much focus was on Gale acting like Monica.
Scream did, but I'm struggling to come up with anyone else in Scream 2 who mentions horror films that isn't Randy, with the exception of the HOUSE 2:The Second Story joke.
My point is that Randy was not the only one talking about movies, so no need to drag him from the grave for a nonsense speech about the rules.
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Klockard23
9 years ago
My point is that Randy was not the only one talking about movies, so no need to drag him from the grave for a nonsense speech about the rules.
It was just a way to have him make a cameo, since people were so royally pissed over the fact that they killed his character off to begin with. They even considered resurrecting him entirely before admitting it was way too implausible to pull off.
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Stratego
9 years ago
I know, but the result was that he was nothing more but a gimmick that didn't even make sense. Resurrecting him would've been absolutely ridiculous.
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InTheHub
9 years ago
My point is that Randy was not the only one talking about movies, so no need to drag him from the grave for a nonsense speech about the rules.
And my point was you were complaining that the horror references in 3 were gone, that's because Randy was gone.
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Stratego
9 years ago
And my point was you were complaining that the horror references in 3 were gone, that's because Randy was gone.
And my point was that that's no excuse. Scream 4 also has people mentioning horror movies and there's no Randy at all.
And again, Scream 3 did have Randy for one scene and they could've thrown in some horror references, but they didn't.
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InTheHub
9 years ago
Well, I guess Kincaid mentions Hannibal Lecter and Seven.
Plus although it's fictional we get to hear about Milton's horror movies and see his horror basement filled with props.
I actually though that was a little more fun and inventive than referencing popular horror films which the first film already did.
Like you said, they did it in the 4th film and I wouldn't say it saved the day.
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Stratego
9 years ago
Yes, so why throw in a stupid scene with Randy talking about rules that are nonsense and not even horror movie related?
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InTheHub
9 years ago
His speech was about trilogies.
He noted they are a rariety in the horror genre, hence not much horror talk.
But it was perfectly consistent as Godfather and Star Wars were mentioned in Scream 2.
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Stratego
9 years ago
His speech was about trilogies.
He noted they are a rariety in the horror genre, hence not much horror talk.
They don't exist at all as far as I know (Scream didn't turn out to be one either), so why even mention it? Scream is a horror movie, so he should've focused on the rules of horror movies instead. Star Wars is not going to help them survive.
But it was perfectly consistent as Godfather and Star Wars were mentioned in Scream 2.
Point is, not during the horror movie rules speech.
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InTheHub
9 years ago
Well, I guess Kincaid mentions Hannibal Lecter and Seven.
There were tons more refernces in the script as I'm sure you know, the whole opening was the trivia question "Name the killer car movie? and of course it's Cotton's girlfriend's name. They mentioned Psycho and Hannibal more.
Plus, although it's fictional, we get to hear about Milton's horror movies and see his horror basement filled with props.
I actually though that was a little more fun and inventive than referencing popular horror films which the first film already did.
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
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