MovieChat Forums > Merlin (1998) Discussion > who's the blame for all of the events th...

who's the blame for all of the events that took place?


In a way some of the events that took place is partially Merlin's fault. But, that's what happens when you are human (or in his case, part human). Had he not given into Uther's request none of the bad events would have never happened. But, most of it is Mab's fault. Does anyone else feel the same way? What's your opinion?

reply

I'm a massively obsessive Mab fan, so I disagree that the majority of it was her fault. True, she is not without blame. She does several things to provoke Merlin, and cause trouble, despite her intentions being understandable. As you said, Merlin is also responsible for several of the events that occured. But in my opinion, most of the problems in the film are caused by the weaknesses of mortals- the intolerance of King Constant leading to attacking the Old Ways, leading to Mab getting involved in the first place. Vortigern's tyranny making the situation in Britain worse. Uther's greed and lust leading to the death of the Duke of Cornwall, which leads to Morgan's bitterness, as well as Morgan's longing for power leading to her plotting with Frik and Mab to conceive Mordred. See what I mean?

Try not to panic. Just think of it as landing a little more vertically than usual

reply

Tough question you got there. But I don't think you can just point out a single guilty person or a single guilt for that matter. We could rather talk about making mistakes, which led to the events that took place. For instance, Mab sets out to save her world of magic. Why? Because of love. Is that bad, evil? I don't think so. The way in which she acts, however, might be questionable. By creating this half human wizard, Merlin, she takes on a great responsibility (even if she doesn't take all aspects into consideration). By letting him be raised by Ambrosia, she makes an awful mistake, which might be, in the end, what causes Merlin's decision to fight against her (although she is his mother). It is true she learned from her mistake (she took care of Mordred and that boy was willing to die to protect her and fight for the Old Ways), but that did not change (repare) her relationship with Merlin. On the other hand, Merlin blamed her of 'killing' the persons he loved, when he himself 'killed' (destroyed) Morgan's family. How fair was that? And moreover who could blame Morgan for her choices? I don't think there is anyone elligible to be considered 'innocent', as there is no one that can be hold responsible for what happened. That is probably what made me watch 'Merlin' over and over again - this mixture of realism and fantasy, history and mystery, dramatic and funny moments. It's taught me a lot (more than I would have ever thought I could learn from a movie)and I will always be more than happy to talk about it or even debate on it. Thank you.

reply

are we talking whos to blame in the movie, or in the legends?

in the movie, i think Merlin was partly to blame, and even he admitted that when he was an older man. he told his younger self to stop giving people advice. but i also think that because he as half human, he wanted to help people, and this was a problem, but in a way, we are very destructive, and even a wzard couldnt stop that.
but then yo have to think, if merlin hadnt helped Uther seduce Igraine, Arthur wouldnt hve been born. Camelot wouldnt have existed.

In the legends, Mab wasnt even present in the whole Arthur saga. She was a Queen of the Faeries, but there was no mention of her in any of the old stories concerning merlin and camleot.
so if it was concerning the legends, it would be hard to say who was to blame. there was so many influences, that if you were to change even one thing, it could alter the stories.

still, i loved this movie. its the best adaption of the king arthur stories in my opinion. i never get sick of watching it

reply