The lightsaber fights were AWESOME, and here's why


Quite a few people have criticized the lightsaber fights in the prequels as being too choreographed and complex. Well let me enlighten those simple minded fellows

1. The fighters are not normal humans. They are Sith and Jedis and thus have the force with them. The force gives them superhuman agility, speed, and reflexes. They can almost see things before they happen (Qui Gon said so himself). So naturally they won't fight like ordinary human beings with the boring block and strike blah blah

2. The lightsabers are not ordinary blades. They can cut through almost anything with the least amount of effort. The fighter merely has to touch his/her opponent to slice them in half. They don't need to swing with all their strength like an ordinary swordsman hoping to decapitate someone.

So it is logical within the context of the story that their lasersaber fights should be extraordinary.

It's like seeing Bruce Lee fighting. Have you ever seen the martial arts fights in movies? They are very fast and complex, like the lasersaber fights in the prequels.

And yet some people feel that this is incorrect and the lasersaber fights should be like a lumberjack hacking away at an oak tree. How inane!!!!

So these people want the most skilled, most highly trained, most agile fighters in the world to fight like Rocky Balboa instead of Bruce Lee! LOL!
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I disagree, and here's why:

People who don't like the lightsabre fights in the prequels do so not because they're fought by preternaturally powered combatants or because they don't swing with all their strength, they don't like them because they don't feel compelling. The balletic choreography isn't criticised because it makes the fighters look too powerful.

But the biggest detraction from these fights is because the fighters don't look like they care and the fights aren't "about" anything. By that I mean that the fights come up because they're enemies and they're fighting.

Darth Maul vs. Qui-Gon Obi-Wan is just a fight. It's not really advancing the plot, showing us an aspect of the characters, or acting as a storytelling device. It's boring.

In contrast, think about the fight at the end of Return of the Jedi - that's between father and son and the stakes aren't "who wins", it's Luke's soul. Luke following his father or denying his "dark side" is the question and the stakes of the fight and it gives the fight a potency that just isn't had between, say, Obi-Wan and General Grevous.

It's particularly painful in the prequels because the characters are drawn so poorly, the plot so fumbling, that even when they should be powerful, they fall short. The biggest disappointment in lightsabre fights was the final conflict between Anakin and Obi-Wan in Episode III. It should be the tragic end of a friendship, but it's not because they never feel like friends. It should be the last chance Obi-Wan has to save Anakin (mirroring Luke's decision in Episode VI), but it's not - it's foregone that Anakin has turned to evil because the plot said so.

Far more interesting is the fight where Mace goes to arrest Palpatine. It feels better because Anakin makes a choice in the fight, we see characters making political moves, and if you took out the fight itself, just had Mace threaten Palpatine and Anakin push him out the window, the scene would still work.

If you took out the fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin on lavaland (I don't remember the planet name), the scene would be:

OBI-WAN: You've turned to the Dark Side!

ANAKIN: I sure have.

And Obi-Wan would chop off his limbs and that'd be that.

Frankly that's the worst one, in my opinion, because it's not a good scene, but it's really, bloody long.

For me, any time I don't like a fight scene, it's usually because the scene wouldn't work without the combat. Great fight scenes that I can think of would work if you just had the characters talking.

Think about Morpheus v. Neo in the training program, or Jen v. Yu Shu Lien in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. The one-shot fight in Seven Samurai. Or the playful combat between Westley and Inigo in Princess Bride.

Those scenes would be entertaining without good choreography or effects. They would work even without the fight at all. Westley and Inigo might just as easily have verbally sparred, discovered mutual respect, demonstrated dedication to their causes, and arrived at a conclusion without ever drawing their blades and it would be great.

The difference is that if you take out the flashy choreography from Episode I, that fight with Darth Maul is AWFUL.

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Well said. While the over-choreographing gets it's share of criticism (and for the record, just because they're really powerful does not mean it should look like a dance-off as opposed to a fight where people are trying to hurt each other), it wouldn't be talked about as much if we cared about the combatants and the stakes.

The Darth Maul fight is just basically "well, it's time for the big fight." There's no motivation beyond "he's da bad guy with da red lightsaber so we have to fight him." They're supposed to be there to uncover the mystery of his involvement, but ultimately just whip out their lighstabers immediately. They don't even try to question this guy to try and find out something more. And then there's the fact these opponents know nothing about each other, have no personal stakes in the fight (until Qui-Gon dies, and the fight ultiamtely ends in a laughable way when Maul stands there like an idiot and just lets Obi-Wan float up in front of him). Good grief, it's a mess.

Without Duel of the Fates playing, I'd argue this fight would have zero emotional impact or memorability, beyond the aforementioned ridiculous ending.

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I agree: Duel of the Fates is great. It think it's sad how powerful the music is in the prequels. Williams' score is squandered on the movie itself.

You've made some great points about the choreography, too: it should always look like the characters are trying to fight, never like they're just walking through choreography.

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The Darth Maul fight is just basically "well, it's time for the big fight." There's no motivation beyond "he's da bad guy with da red lightsaber so we have to fight him." They're supposed to be there to uncover the mystery of his involvement, but ultimately just whip out their lighstabers immediately. They don't even try to question this guy to try and find out something more. And then there's the fact these opponents know nothing about each other, have no personal stakes in the fight (until Qui-Gon dies, and the fight ultiamtely ends in a laughable way when Maul stands there like an idiot and just lets Obi-Wan float up in front of him). Good grief, it's a mess.


In Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan's defense, Maul didn't exactly stop for a conversation with Qui-Gon during their first encounter on Tatooine, he immediately tries to kill him, so I could understand them making the assumption that Maul being there on Naboo means he intends to kill them, not talk, and if it wasn't already obvious from a purely visual/body-language standpoint, it certainly would be by sensing it through the Force. However, maybe this is just a mistake with the writing of Maul as a character, who, arguably, was most interesting one in TPM (and beyond, if he wasn't so stupidly killed off). I'd agree with you in that sense...the guy had what, three words in the movie? It definitely would have been nice to see his character developed more. Have you seen the "Darth Maul: Apprentice" fan film? It's quite good. Maul doesn't say a word in it but I get the feeling his facial expressions say plenty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djo_91jN3Pk

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The best lightsaber fight is Luke vs Vader in Empire. Fact. And it involves almost no jumping around or special affects.

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