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Vader's scream at the end (MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS)

posted 8 years ago by petekrug17
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Most of the criticisms of the STAR WARS prequels I agree with, however there's one complaint many have that's actually always bothered me. At the end, when Darth Vader has just been placed in his black suit, and Palpatine tells him his wife and child (neither of them know he had twins) both died in childbirth. Vader then screams,"NOOOO!!!!" And people are upset by this, calling him a whiny pansy? Why? Padme was the woman Vader loved. He had been looking forward to becoming a father. Then he's told his wife and child, now the only family he had left, are gone. How did you guys want him to react? Even after turning to the dark side, he was never supposed to be completely unfeeling, but more complex.

This also brings to mind the scene in ATTACK OF THE CLONES when Anakin (before he becomes Vader) returns to Padme after killing the sand people and has an emotional breakdown. Again it's always kind of irked me that people have a problem with this: Anakin finally returns to his mother after years of separation, only to see her die almost immediately after they meet again. Did you think he should've just shrugged it off like it was nothing to him?

[–] gallagwar 8 years ago

It's not the emotion of the moment people have a problem with. We understand his feelings. There are two major issues with that moment that make it such a colossal failure and missed opportunity:

1. Everything about that moment is hacky and cliche. An introductory film student could have shot it better. They could have gone with 1000 better and more effective lines, but even if you go with the cheesy, hackneyed "NO" line, you can frame it in a way that isn't so amateurish. The body language, the zoom out. Total hack.

2. This is arguably the most important moment in the entire saga until the point where Vader turns on Palpatine to save Luke. Anakin is a broken man in every conceivable way. And this is the best they can do to capture this moment? We know what a merciless, remorseless man Vader becomes, and it makes sense given what he's been through. The reaction was all wrong. It was one of weakness and defeat when it should have been one of rage and conviction if you want it to transition into the character he becomes.

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[–] tyson6633 8 years ago

Perfectly said.

Especially #1

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[–] manchof1 8 years ago

I think the sorrowful NO works for the end after he loses everything he ever cared for, but even a primal scream would have worked too.

[–] Jibbler66 8 years ago

Because it was completely out of character, It's something Vader would never have done in the original series. it was added in because of the whole 'noooo' being a line used a lot in Star wards films. It worked with Mark Hamil, no with this. him just tearing staff apart with hid dark powers using the force and not saying a word WOULD have been Vader right there.

[–] Murphed87 8 years ago

Exactly, the quiet brooding and the fact that you could notsee his face made him far more intemedating and the scene poignant.

[–] DoctorModernMan 8 years ago

It was the "way" in which the "no" was screamed. It was too "pathetic." Worse still is that it seemed like a hammy type of pathetic and not a genuine cry of sorrow - almost as if James Earl Jones was doing a mock-reading of the line.

It would have been more effective if instead of screaming "No," Vader let out a primal scream of anger.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

[–] Volley2020 8 years ago

That scream was terrible. Me and about 12 friends saw this movie in the theatre and that very first time we heard it, everyone was laughing... it was so bad. It took us all out of the movie. Vader should have been completely silent while wrecking the place.