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Are people really arguing that this is NOT about secret societies?


You've got to be kidding ME.

How can you even try to take that stance? The title alone is a masonic term.

I feel like humanity is doomed. :(

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Saying this movie is about secret societies based on one scene in the movie is like saying that Star Wars is about droid repair and proper oil bathing.

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one scene??? the whole movie you puppet! your eyes really are shut.

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Unfortunately yes, they still are... ^^

:(

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It's ONE SCENE in a long drawn out movie about Tom Cruise wanting some side poon. How is this movie ABOUT secret societies? Even in the one scene, it doesn't go into depth on anything. It's just "So...this is a thing...and now...wait for it...okay now it's not a thing anymore. Back to Tom cruise and his boring wife"

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No movie is all about one single thing. Movies are about numerous, sometimes many things. But all those things they are about? they are about those things.

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arkaenether...how daft are you?

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They are not necessarily daft, but it's so hard to defend something like this being pure fiction, they HAVE to resort to childish 'clever' quips so the posters would feel ashamed instead of bringing some kind of rational response that doesn't hold water.

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People are naive and choose to believe everything that has been engrained in their psyche since childhood.

I see one user claiming it is only "one scene" when really it is what the entire story is about. Yes, sure from a story element it is about marriage and lust and relationships, but from a larger thematic perspective it is about so much more.

Kubrick was desperately trying to expose the Illuminati and the world elite agenda in this film, and he died trying. I don't think I've ever seen a movie push the boundaries like this one did as far as exposing them. They Live comes rather close along with some other titles I can think of including Kingsmen.

The title "Eyes Wide Shut" explains why people choose not to see this film for what it really is. It is because most Americans live with their Eyes Wide Shut. They think they are seeing clearly and rationally when really they are completely blind to the nefarious forces around them.


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Okay...really simple question then. If the Illuminati is real, and were so angry about the movie exposing their secrets, why exactly did they allow the movie to be released? Quite a few people get to watch each movie made before it's released, and you'd think the secret society that rules the world that's trying to take over the world (how does that work by the way?) would have had at least one representative who monitored that kind of thing.

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Simple answer to that simple question. If you don't release that movie after the guy dies and with knowledge of what the content in the film was, etc. Then that makes it look even more obvious that the secret society is real. When certain artists like Kubrick with EWS or Tupac with Killuminati or whoever it may be, Ledger with Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus is another one, they always allow the work to get released. They just censor what they want out of it and kill the guy who released it. They don't care if there are clues. There are enough people in the world who will never believe it despite it being right in front of their faces that the powers that be feel secire.

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The ACTUAL point of the film is they are NOT secret societies. They simply exist at the top of a system with an inherent blind eye spot.



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Yes! But, the initiation into the society (or lack thereof) is partly what the movie is about.

The story is also about marriage and desire. Bill discovers he already had what he desired in the first place- despite being offered every other sexual option.

The POINT (in my opinion): What he didn't say to Alice in their stoned fight "I would never cheat because I don't WANT to." He says everything else about love and respect, but he never says anything about his own desire. He had to find out what else was out there, and it's not as great as he imagined.

Bill comes to the conclusion for his marriage and social status that he doesn't WANT to be involved with all that. Perhaps Kubrick felt the same way in his personal life "Hey, it could be worse" with shoulders-shrugged attitude, in that long term husband mentality.
It's like The Wizard of Oz in many ways, with a "There's no place like home" ending.

Near the end, Alice says “we should be grateful that we have managed to survive through all our adventures, whether they were real or only a dream.”

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I agree very good post. The film has the negative tone about it inherent to modern age: requisite denial in order to survive. But positive as well in that the choice is there to be made: it is safe and at times boring but enduring. Not everything on sale should be bought.



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Thanks. Like you wrote somewhere else, it's a married-person type of movie. There is something still unexplored with Alice at the very end. But, it's Bill's journey.

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This is one of the main points of the film! - at least in my opinion. Very thoughtful observation.

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You know how during wartime, the two factions can absolutely hate each other's guts, yet they still honor the "rules of engagement"?

Well, it's kinda like that.

The Illuminati hate the general public, but there are rules to abide by. It's connected to the chivalric code.

So Stanely Kubrick got one over them. They most certainly aren't happy with it. And yeah, they killed him for it. But they also released his movie as a "touche" type of response.

Plus, alot of times they give themselves away by constantly throwing their gang signs up and all over every product they place out there for. It's kinda funny to actually find people who AREN'T aware at this day and age.

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Kubrick liked metaphors. He used the concept of the secret society to make a point about how our society/culture operates.

Its in plain sight.

The elites treat the world as their own ant farm with their own actions far above the law. Their society is so foreign and alien to us, it might as well be secret.

In their world, they exploit whole societies that include all men, women and children.

We see that in this film. Don't be fooled by one silly costume party that occupied about 10 to 15 minutes of film in a 2 and half hour movie.

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It may as well all be in his mind. Like Total Recall or Inception - is this real or just a dream.

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these parties appear tame compared to some of the parties people like Jimmy Savile would attend...

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Jimmy Saville was in a satanic cult that abused children. It's documented fact.

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True. When one starts to read up on Jimmy Savile and Marc Dutroux (among others), this movie will seem like an euphemism.

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This movie is definitely NOT about secret societies, the secret society is just a metaphor, the whole movie is nor a dream nor reality, it is just a metaphor, the whole themes of the movie are wide and only a small portion is about secret societies.
And yes i personally believe that secret societies do exist but this is not the case.

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NAAAT!

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It's a movie about trust, love and jealousy. It just happens to have a secret society of sorts as a plot element.

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It's also about money and sex.



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"At Victor's party, Bill Harford is being led away by two models. When he asks where they're going, one of them replies, "Where the rainbow ends. Don't you want to go where the rainbow ends?" Later, Bill rents a costume and mask from Rainbow Fashions. Rainbow is the name of a Masonic organization. "Where the Rainbow Ends" is the name of a morality play by Clifford Mills and John Ramsay."
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120663/trivia?item=tr2741778

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Order_of_the_Rainbow_for_Girls

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