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Were Judge Skinner and Facher acting in collusion?


The movie gives one the impression that Skinner and Facher were friends and that Skinner was acting at Facher's behest by ending the case with those three questions. Is this scene accurate? If so, were there any accusations of impropriety on the part of the judge?

How can lawyers and judges be so buddy-buddy with each other without any chance of favoritism?

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To the original poster I would say yes. I do believe the Skinner and Facher knew one another quite well.

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I'm not a lawyer but I've been involved in several court cases. In every instance that I've witnessed, if one lawyer is from a highly reputable firm and the other is not, or if the judge is familar with one attorney and not the other, the judge GREATLY favors the large, familar attorney's firm. Watch "The Rainmaker" and realize that it is FICTION.

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judges are lawyers. they are all scumbags, and are the main people who make this great country as f#@d up as it is. remember that most politicians are lawyers too.

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Excerpts from OUTRAGE
By Vincent Bugliosi, former Los Angeles District Attorney,
Lead prosecutor of the Manson murder trial and
Author of “Helter Skelter”


A word about judges. The American people have an understandably negative view of politicians, public opinion polls show, and an equally negative view of lawyers. David Kennedy, professor of history at Stanford university, in writing about politicians, says: “With the possible exception of lawyers, we hold no other professional in such contempt. Who among us can utter the word ‘politician’ without a sneer?” Conventional logic would seem to dictate, then, that since a judge is normally both a politician and a lawyer, people would nave an opinion of them lower than a grass hopper’s belly. But on the contrary, a $25 black cotton robe elevates the denigrated lawyer-politician to a position of considerable honor and respect in our society, as if the garment itself miraculously imbued the person with qualities not previously possessed. As an example, judges have, for the most part, remained off-limits to the creators of popular entertainment, being depicted on screens large and small as learned men and women of stature and solemnity who are as impartial as sunlight.
As to the political aspect of judges, the appointment of judgeships by governors (or the president in federal courts) has always been part and parcel of the political spoils or patronage system. For example, 97% of President Reagan’s appointees to the federal bench were Republicans. Thus in the overwhelming majority of cases there is a nexus between the appointment and POLITICS. Either the appointee has personally labored long and hard in the political vineyards, or he is a favored friend of one who has, often a generous financial supporter of the party in power. Roy Mersky, professor at the University of Texas Law school, says: “To be appointed a judge to a great extent is the result of one’s political activity.” Consequently, lawyers entering courtrooms are frequently confronted with the specter of a new judge they’ve never heard of and know absolutely nothing about. The judge may never have distinguished himself in the LEGAL profession, but a cursory investigation almost invariably reveals a POLITICAL connection.. Incredibly, and unfortunately, the political connection holds true all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, where, for instance, the last three chief justices- Earl Warren, Warren Burger, and to a lesser extent William Rehnquist -have all been creatures of politics, like so many of their predecessors in history.
Although there are many exceptions, by and large the bench boasts undistinguished lawyers whose principal qualification for the most important position in our legal system is the all-important political connection. Rarely, for instance, will a governor seek out a renowned but apolitical legal scholar and proffer a judgeship.
It has been my experience and, I daresay, the experience of most veteran trial lawyers that the TYPICAL judge has little or NO TRIAL EXPERIENCE AS A LAWYER, or is POMPOUS AND DICTATORIAL on the bench, or worst of all, is CLEARLY PARTIAL TO ONE SIDE or the other. Sometimes the judge displays all three infirmities.
It’s always a great relief and pleasure to walk into court and find a judge who has had trial experience, knows the law, is completely impartial, and hasn’t let his judgeship swell his head. There are, of course, many such admirable judges in this country, but regrettably THEY ARE DECIDEDLY IN THE MINORITY.

I start out with the assumption that a lawyer in a criminal case is going to be incompetent, substantially so. I find my assumption to be rarely wrong. Yet society starts out with the very opposite assumption. I happen to know society is wrong. Dead wrong. The reason I say this is that not only do the facts and the evidence show society is wrong, but common sense does. Here’s why. Incompetence is rampant in our society, from presidents on down. It is every where. In fact, it is so prevalent and so bad that the only adjective I’ve ever been able to come up with in the lexicon that adequately describes it is “staggering.”
If the reader isn’t aware of the prevalence of incompetence, I certainly won’t be able to disabuse him of his sheltered view in a few paragraphs. But people can’t do the simplest things right.
How about all the consumer products that are difficult to operate because whoever manufactured them was too incompetent to make it easy? Or the instructions that are hopelessly confusing and sometimes flat-out wrong? Or “easy-to assemble” products with parts missing from the box?
If incompetence is so endemic in society, even among people doing simple, repetitive things with a lot of time in which to do them, doesn’t common sense tell you that the incompetence is going to be even more common and pronounced with trial lawyers who deal with different witnesses in every case, with different facts and evidence, who are constantly forced to think on their feet under pressure of time, and who have an opponent who is trying to thwart and negate their every move? Yes, common sense tells you this. But this is not the way society sees it.
The reason is the extremely strong myth in our society- the genesis, I imagine, being from novels and films- that criminal defense attorneys particularly those on big cases, are brilliant, great, high-powered, silver-tongued; that they’re magicians, able to pull rabbits out of hats, etc. Although there is incredible incompetence everywhere in our society, for some curious reason, because of this myth, defense lawyers are perceived to be an exception..
The reality is that the vast, overwhelming majority of trial lawyers in criminal jury trials are either incompetent or operating at a very low level of competence. And if most prominent trial lawyers met their reputations out on the street, they wouldn’t recognize each other.
In addition to novels and the screen, the media have been very complicit in perpetuating the myth. Cross-examination as bland as pablum is routinely reported to be “rigorous” or “withering.” Why? Because cross-examination is supposed to be rigorous and withering.
It’s always amusing to me when I see laypeople and media so impressed when a lawyer does simple, obvious things in court, things an average person would instinctively know to do. Here is how ingrained the myth is: How many times have you heard someone, talking about a weakness in a case, say, “A clever lawyer would ...” and then proceed to tell you what the layperson thought to do himself? Why? Because lawyers are supposed to be clever. The criminal defense attorney is supposed to be clever, even if the idea required no intelligence at all.
...no intelligent person can assess someone’s performance simply by looking at the final result. Results can frequently be traceable to factors and dynamics that have nothing at all to do with the abilities of the victor.

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"The movie gives one the impression that Skinner and Facher were friends and that Skinner was acting at Facher's behest by ending the case with those three questions. Is this scene accurate? If so, were there any accusations of impropriety on the part of the judge?"

Facher is a master of bending others to his will, didn't you notice? Is it really a stretch to believe that a judge can be manipulated? It isn't a matter of the judge participating in collusion with the lawyer as much as it is Facher creating situations and allowing the judge to think that the ideas on how to handle them are his to begin with. Jan Schlichtmann saw this quite clearly, though the judge was angered at the observation.

"How can lawyers and judges be so buddy-buddy with each other without any chance of favoritism?"

Also, Facher is a very well known attorney, and Schlichtmann is not...unless you count the fact that his name is known in the lower courts for cheap-shot lawsuits. These two points together led to Schlichtmann being on Judge Skinner's crap list.

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OK, so what's the speed of dark?

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This is an interesting article and may help to dispel some of the Hollywood 'truth' that seeps into real stories.

http://bostonphoenix.com/archive/features/98/01/01/DON_T_QUOTE_ME.html

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I haven't seen the movie yet, but the writer of that article definitely got a totally different impression from the book than what I got. The book doesn't portray Skinner and Facher as "in collusion" so much, but Jon Harr definately portrays Skinner as obstinate and biased against Schlichtmann and towards Facher. I also got a very favorable impression of Jan Schlichtmann from the book: he's portrayed as young, inexperienced and somewhat arrogant, but singularly devoted to and passionate about the case in a way that is pretty remarkable. It's a pretty moving book.

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cool link. thx.




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It’s not unusual at all for the judge to know a lawyer on a case. That can just be from frequent appearances made by the same attorney. I got a good view of this around 12 years ago when I was going through my divorce. The judge set a status conference as the case had been on his docket for a few months and had not settled.

My ex and I were fighting over custody and visitation with respect to our daughter. My ex was raising baseless and false arguments and my attorney told me not to worry about it. Well, needless to say I nearly panicked at the conference when it became clear that the judge knew my ex’s lawyer quite well.

The judge asking my ex’s lawyer about what the issues are and starts addressing him by first name. He addresses my lawyer as “mister”. The judge hears from both sides but ultimately ruled against my ex from the bench. He agreed with my lawyer that me ex’s claims were baseless and irrelevant and told my ex’s lawyer to stop wasting his time. Phew!

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Facher and Skinner went to law school together. The book suggests that they had known each other for over 30 years before this case was decided.

In reality many lawyers are friends with members of the bench. As mentioned in previous posts, all judges are former lawyers. It is possible that lawyers can work with each other extensively before one is appointed to their position.

Most legal codes of ethics require that judges excuse themselves whenever their is even the appearance of a conflict of interest. I work at a law firm where a senior partner of ours was recently promoted to the bench. Since then, none of our lawyers has been able to appear before him. The choice is the judge's to make.

That said, an opposing lawyer can make a motion to the court to have a judge step down if there is the appearance of impropriety. This did not occur in the Woburn case. The relationship between Skinner and Facher was not strong enough and furthermore, in some areas, the practicing bar is so small that it is virtually impossible to excuse ones-self from a case. Everyone knows everyone.

In real life, Skinner's ruling was appealed. The appeal was rightfully denied because there was not enough evidence to support the claim against Beatrice. Seeing Facher and Cheesman in the Judge's chambers beforehand is really immaterial to the entire decision that was ultimately decided by a jury, not by a judge.

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The movie doesn't explicitly say that they were acting in collusion, but they likely were, given:

1). In the first court-room scene, the judge notices the amount of lawyers present and immediately recognizes Facher. He says, "You're looking well ... Are the Red Sox playing good" (my paraphrase).

2). When Jan walks into the room, he sees Skinner and Facher laughing like buddies. Jan immediately stares at Facher (symbolic) before asking, "You were talking without my being present."

3). Skinner agrees with Facher's plan to question the jury.

4). Skinner permits Facher's prolific objections, despite Jan's complaints.

They were probably acting in collusion.

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It's like in any other profession, some know one another. The more familiar one is with another then the more informal they can be.

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