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O'Fallon sucks widely

posted 21 years ago by brownrainjacket
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Found this movie in Wal'Mart for like 2 dollars. It proved to be worth every penny. It is nothing more than a 2bit 2 dollar commercial director who got some studio backing and players to appear in his cheezy "original" if you can call it that. Yes the players were good for the most part. I get the feeling, with different direction, even the likes of Sean Patrick Flannery could've acted ok. But when you listen to O'Fallon's commentary, it sounds about as intelligent or original as Jerry Bruckheimer on the Charlie Rose show; "Well Charlie, I just like movies. I'm just a regular guy." Walken's cool. Leary's 'Toaster' scene was badass. O'Fallon needs to go back to toothpaste and MTV. (He's the one behind that show Cupid)

[–] fredjohnjohn 21 years ago

saw it for "nowt" (a quaint North Country word) agree with most of the above. But it must have had something as I am still trying to figure at least 3 plot "lines" 1.The description and scene of the girls"kidnap" did that take place at all? 2.Was anything ever produced to show that "they" had cut of the girls finger or did Young Dr Kildare simply enjoy a spot of amputation practice on Walkens pinkie and didnt need any reason? 3.How far was the Girls brother in on the scam? His sudden dash to the hospital was weird at several levels!! I could go on --- But is it worth it?

[–] LSD-25 21 years ago

I enjoyed the movie but I agree with a good director it could have been so much better.

The girl's kidnap never took place - it was just a story - the only witnesses were the girl and her fiance and they both concocted the 'major' scam.

I think the girl's brother was genuine when he confessed at the end - he thought up the 'minor' scam and only intended the hoods to 'hold' his sister until he got the $40,000 ransom from his father. Then his sister and her fiance got greedy and decided to take it further and upped the ransom to $2million - but they didn't tell her brother.

I don't know if they cut her finger off, but I assume they did - they had to make her brother think he'd lost control of the scam and that her life was genuinely in danger. Most people would be willing to lose their little finger for $1million, I think.

A lot of things were left hanging though - did the brother think his sister was dead? Would Walken have got in touch with the guys to tell them what the sister had really done? I suppose they would have guessed something was strange when Max disappeared at the end.

One thing that didn't make sense (though it's trivial) is the high-class escort that Leary 'saves' from the sleazy old guy. A man who appears to be living in poverty would never be able to afford a hooker like her, she usually hangs around expensive clubs as we see at the start of the movie so I doubt she would have even entered his filthy apartment block to start with. It was all just an excuse for Leary to use a toaster as a knuckle-duster.

[–] fredjohnjohn 21 years ago

Many thanks for your ideas.Youve made things a lot "clearer" Iagree with your last point. It didnt make any sense at all!! One final thing(if anything can be final in this pic) Why didnt we get to see the two having their heads blasted at the end? Could it be that there were thoughts of"S.K.2- The pinkies revenge!!" WOW.

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[–] apbc12 21 years ago

Indeed, she wasn't a hooker, and he wasn't a john. Also, the "kidnappers" did NOT cut off the girl's finger; when she and Sean Patrick Flanery meet up toward the end, they hug and then he kisses her little finger. Her other hand is clearly visible, and also still contains all five fingers.

[–] eg_evans 21 years ago

Also, there was no shot of them getting their heads blown off because it was never shot. There were 2 alternate endings to the movie, neither of which ending with him killing them. In one, Denis Leary shoots holes in the boat and the dingy (at Walken's request) and in the other, Walken gives her credit for coming up with the plan, then gives them a little of the money and takes the rest back. Neither of these endings tested well, so they took the beginning of one of the endings, working a little editing magic, and PRESTO! An ending everyone can enjoy...if they've never seen the one with Denis Leary shooting the boat. Funny stuff.

[–] Saberhagen 21 years ago

In the start, after they have kidnapped Charlie, he wants to know why they did it. They tell the sory of the kidnapping of Avery's sister, and one of them, I don't remember who, says: "...(and) it's not as he can go to the police is it!?"
Yet about fifteen minutes later Charlie asks Max to tell him all the details from the kidnapping, and Max replies: "Why? I've already told the police this story a thousand times." or something like that.
Or have I mixed things up?

Another thing; Was it a pinkie they cut of? I had the impression it was the ring finger? While on the cover (Swedish/Nordic version) it claims they cut of his middle finger so "...(he) can't even flip his kidnappers the bird"

[–] ThumbsUpRacing 21 years ago

Disappointed in the DVD's "alternate endings." O'Fallon wouldn't shut up through all of the first one so I couldn't finish the rest. Somewhat annoying.

[–] eg_evans 21 years ago

Little secret. It's set up with the director's commentary on for some reason, but if you have a "audio" button on your remote, you can shut the commentary off. Honestly, i wish he'd just let you chose on a menu or something.

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[–] SirChaul 21 years ago

at first I thought it was a little extreme (made Charlie look kind of bad,)

Man, who frrrrrucking cares if it made him look bad? I'm tired of reading about people being disappointed in a mafia character being too churlish. Grow up! These characters have to be portrayed accurately, and that's what the situation called for - the two kids getting shot in the end. It was the only plausible ending. Grow up. You don't need to have sympathy for a character in order to like him or to make a movie good. Empathy yes, but sympathy no.

I seen both endings (on the DVD) and this ending is better than both of them put together tenfold.

- the G.O.D.

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[–] SirChaul 21 years ago

all the questions in this thread are answered in the movie - all of them! However, mine wasn't, and that is... how did Max and Elise get the money if it was supposed to be dropped off to the two goons? Lono said, "the bag feels kinda light"... so how did they get the money and vic the two goons when the lawyer (walken's lawyer) was the one dropping off the money?

Other than that, I love this movie, great cast. Walken, what can you say about him other than... Walken, Christopher Walken. If I only I could learn to talk like that. Dennis Leary was good (even though he played himself, or at least the character he does in his stand-up routines). Jay Mohr was good. The actor who played "Ira" (from roseanne too) too. The one who played Max was terrible, however. Horrible acting. Other than that, the acting was superb. And the story had you guessing and thinking. Other than the loophole I found, this movie is a very good film.

- the G.O.D.

[–] Lime11 21 years ago

Just saw the movie...it was awesome!

I was also wondering how they got the money from the two goons but I guess Elise must have picked it up from the apartment before Lono wacks them.

But anyways, sweet movie!