I had fogotten how non-PC this movie really was - Starship Troopers (1997) Discussion

[–] SevenKal-ElGuiry 9 years ago

ya isn;t it awesome :D one of the best non PC movies! go watch Hebrew Hammer! such a NON PC movie! its awesome!

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[–] aquarianbrass 9 years ago

You don 't know what PC means, do you?

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[–] ttaskmaster 9 years ago

You don 't know what PC means, do you?

Well DUHHHH.... it means Player Character. Any DM who has rolled a D20 AOE DPS or DPR against NPCs for TPK in an AD&D LFR RPG knows *that*...!!

Oh, wait, it can also mean Progressive Contextualization... oh, and Propylene Carbonate.... I suppose Panama City needs a mention... then you have Prontor-Compur, the Peace Corps, Presbyterian Church, Public Convenience (ie a toilet), the Privy Council, Pembroke College, Port Charlotte, Police Constables, Personal Computers.....

OK, what does it mean? 

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[–] Tsavo 9 years ago

"Well DUHHHH.... it means Player Character. Any DM who has rolled a D20 AOE DPS or DPR against NPCs for TPK in an AD&D LFR RPG knows *that*...!! "

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[–] woodmage 9 years ago

If we're going to talk about anti-PC, don't we need to discuss Call of Cthulhu? Or at least Paranoia.

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[–] Brippy_Smuppers 9 years ago

I wouldn't say the film is non-pc. It's a satire.

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[–] 32Ford 9 years ago

Heinlein didn't write satire. Read the book and see for yourself.

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[–] woodmage 9 years ago

He was non-politically correct, though... for the 1950s.

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[–] Tsavo 9 years ago

We're talking about the movie though, not the book.

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[–] thesnowleopard 9 years ago

Heinlein didn't write satire.

Actually, he did. There's a good bit of satire about contemporary American public school systems in "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" and there's been some debate over the years whether he intended "Starship Troopers" to be a satire or taken straight.

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[–] xenopharb 9 years ago

... and there's been some debate over the years whether he intended "Starship Troopers" to be a satire or taken straight.

Debate from whom? Not from Heinlein.

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[–] remembervhs 9 years ago

Actually, he did. There's a good bit of satire about contemporary American public school systems in "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" and there's been some debate over the years whether he intended "Starship Troopers" to be a satire or taken straight.

What? There's no satire whatsoever in "Have spacesuit." I read that book years ago and if I recall correctly, he tells the father that high school is really "swell" and his father questions him and asks if he actually learned anything there. That surely doesn't qualify as satire.

Anyway, I don't think the "Starship Troopers" novel was satirical at all. There's a certain element of dumbness in all Heinlein's novels, if you take them too seriously. They're enjoyable as novels, but if you look at them as presenting ideological arguments, they're somewhat immature and childish.

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[–] Tyndareon 9 years ago

Anyway, I don't think the "Starship Troopers" novel was satirical at all.

I'm inclined to agree. There's too much research and painstaking effort to create a setting consistent with itself to even the tiniest detail. Satire on the other hand depends on hyperboles and embellishment, it forces the audience to come to a certain conclusion, much like an allegory. Satirizing propaganda is kind of ironic, for after all, satire IS propaganda. I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone of the instrumental part Aristophanes played in the travesty of justice against Socrates.

They're enjoyable as novels, but if you look at them as presenting ideological arguments, they're somewhat immature and childish.

Heinlein does not present arguments for or against any silly ideology. He creates ideas. Much like haute couture, his constructs are not meant to be "worn", but to capture the paragon form of cultural aspects not yet clearly defined, and introduce them into the reader's mind. In this practice I would say he is as masterful as they come. I am actually dumbfounded to hear somebody enjoyed reading Heinlein. In my experience he's as fun to read as pulling teeth. Which is no surprise; every birth is bloody and torturous.

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[–] tawdry_hepburn 9 years ago

Umm... this movie is *extremely* liberal and openly mocking the original text. Didn't you notice how all the heroes were Aryan poster-children who ran around dressed in Nazi uniforms?

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