The whole 'sometimes the sheperd need the company of the sheep...' I don't get it? If anyone can give me an explanation, i would appreciate it! And make me look as thick as you like. It's been one of my favourite films for years and I never understoof that part! Cheers.
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I suppose that makes sense- it's just how she looked almost offended...? I don't know, you're probably right. Thanks.
shareThe "comfort" he would most likely be looking for at a key party would be sex, so the implication of the comment is that he is a shepherd who screws his sheep when he gets lonely.
shareThis is such an irony, the conversation then the key. It looks he is not sure what he is looking for, true affection or random sex.
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Well, first off, it wasn't George Claire - George Clair was Kevin Kline's (forgive me - it's late and suddenly I can't remember the character's name) co-worker who was besting him at golf - but the reverend character's line about needing the company of the sheep, in which was he basically saying that he was not only consciously on the prowl for sex, but was "slumming it" with the common people, the congregation. Elena took offense to this, as pretty much anyone would.
Hope this helps! :)
"These things they go away, replaced by everyday."
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if a reverend had said that to me ANYWHERE, key party or not, I wouldn't have gotten it lol.
I would have just smiled and said, "oh."
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Just remember when you have a discussion with a minister he may well be the second most religious person between the two of you. His role may have been stereotypical, of ministers and the era and I don't see it as an attack of organized religion. It just typifies the quasi-religious movement of the time, like the pedophile Children of God cult who at that time were promoting sexual contact between adults and young children, like five, as a natural and normal extension of God's love. The idea of showing love is never wrong. And that includes incest and statutory or underage rape to some. Not sharing sex between others was selfish. People were just dropping too much acid I guess. Beware of religion there are churches in Nevada, Arizona and Utah and nearby states that have ministers selecting barely teen girls for marriage in polygamy arangements to elders and lay ministers of their churches. Brain washed and abused members giving up their underage daughters for fear of seclusion and violence by these pedophile ministers. There is a fine line between religion and child abuse and rape in some churches. Sexual abuse still flourishes under the constitutional freedom of religion. It has become fasionable to attack old Catholic institutions but some chuches in the west support pedophiles and polygamy marriage of 13 year old girls with out fear of government interference or even the doctrine of their main church. Sexual abuse continues under the guise of organized religion and has become a safe haven for pedophiles. They will throw out a teenage boy from their towns for staying out late or seeing girls and allow a 60 year old elder of the church to rape and impregnate a 13 year old child. Nice religion.
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The idea of showing love is never wrong.
This made its way into the workplace soon after I entered it in 1977. I was riding in a car with my manager who hugged me in celebration of news we just heard. People didn't hug each other back then like they do now but they had sex very easily. He explained himself in terms of "hugging is celebrating". We were in the middle of nowhere - we had been visiting our "sites". He stopped and it never happened again.
My manager later insulted my married secretary. She and I didn't like it. A woman who sat on our board of directors asked me if I was a prude. Both my manager and the board member were therapists.
So, they explained away inappropriate behavior as being good for you.
"Two more swords and I'll be Queen of the Monkey People." Roseanne
In a way I didn't get it, either.
What I mean is, I thought Christians were used to "being sheep". That's what Jesus himself calls his followers, isn't it?
So yeah, I was surprised that she was offended. I expected her to react with a silent "well, he's clergy so it's OK for him to call people sheep" and just smile at it.
(The bestiality interpretation of it is funny, though. Re-watching the scene right now, it almost seems like he meant it as a dirty joke in exactly that sense. Well.)
It was a key party! Elena knew him, and even said she was surprised to see him there. But that comment about the shepherd wanting the company of the sheep would have offended any thinking person.
"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others."
I think that Elena was too harsh on the reverend. What he was admitting to her with that comment was simply that he was human and had needs. In an earlier scene in the movie between the two characters, it was revealed that he was reverend in an apparently liberal, non-mainstream church where, supposedly, he did not have to remain celibate (unlike priests in Catholicism). So, the reverend had every right to seek out sex. Elena, however, was quick to judge and shamed the reverend. He need not have felt that way and, I think, Elena regretted her comment (which came from anger about her philandering husband and her own anxiety at getting old, etc.)