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Why has this not been discussed???



The camera used in the movie was absolutely horrific. I thought I was watching a movie made with a cheap home video camera. With a three million dollar budget and a great cast, you would think they would at least get a decent camera. I mean seriously, was this done on purpose? It drove me crazy the entire movie. How can the cinematography be that horrific with that good of a cast? Boogie Nights came out great, so I don't get why this one was so cheap? Anyone with an answer please help!

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Please don't watch this again, because I don't want you to become anymore stressed out over the camera work. Personally, I didn't notice what you did. I was too entranced with everything else about this film. It's my favorite film by P.T.A. I've probably seen it a couple dozen times.

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Instead of asking why it hasn't been discussed, why don't you start the discussion? What cameras do you think were or were not used, and what specifically about the film looked different and worse than other films that were shot with "good" cameras?

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I actually saw the movie again on showtime, and I assume there was something wrong with the DVD or the DVD player because the movie looked completely different. I still didn't like the movie, but it didn't appear that there was anything technically wrong with the version on showtime....so my bad.

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might the viewing that looked like crappy home video have been on an HDTV with a bunch of electronic image processing features, such as sharpness enhancement, motion smoothing, and the like?

that stuff has a habit of making filmed movies look like they were shot using 1980s Betacams


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Hmmm...interesting because I just got done watching this (excellent) movie on DVD and was struck by how great it looks.

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Hmmm.
I just watched about the last half of this movie on the "ESCAPE" over-the-air broadcast channel, and noticed some of the cinematography looked a bit choppy.
The broadcast was 720x480, or 1.5:1, (DVD Full Frame/Standard is 640x480 or 4:3), and another comment in this thread stated the original movie was filmed in Panavision, which is a 2.35:1 ratio, NOT the ratio of the broadcast, which explains most/all of the 'choppiness', all by itself.

If an air broadcast keeps the full width of the original Panavision, and fills the frame with 'black bars', only roughly the center one-half of the screen is NOT 'black bars'! So, you can see why the broadcast version was pan-and-scan, which undoes a lot of camera work/direction that follows actors and/or action.
In an extreme "worst-case", you may see an actor get shot completely unexpectedly (in pan-and-scan version) when the original Panavision version shows both the shooter and victim in the frame, staring at each other across a room from before the shooting, and maybe even a witness in the original frame! Sometimes what the viewer sees was not the original movie, since there is usually no "coming back" from an edit like that example.
just sayin'

(If you are a STAR WARS fan, Lucas has said Han Solo did not fire first on the bounty hunter in the cantina... He did say the bounty hunter's shot was just out of the frame. *snicker* After so much "Lucasizing" (i.e. reworking with CGI), there is really no way of knowing now... Unless you happen to have one of the original widescreen laserdisc copies, which was the very first digitized version of the film.)



I did notice the film seemed to focus and zoom on things as a way of bringing tension to the viewer. I certainly don't know what versions the OP saw originally, and then on Showtime as he mentioned about his second viewing.

I have noticed the cable channel delivery versions of so-called HD they use is not the full 1080P, but 720P which allows them to stuff more channels into their limited bandwidth, (technical issues), and still call it HD, (and even sometimes also using black bars too!). Another thing I have read about is additional compression of the images, which can lead to visible pixelation, especially when your flatscreen HD TV expands that to the full screen 1080P to fill your big screen.
Be warned about that. And it could be worse if you have a 4K TV.




Just as a point of perspective and interest, the movie immediately following HARD EIGHT on the "ESCAPE" channel was BASIC INSTINCT which they rated as TV-14. That should give you an insight into how much "edited for content and to run in the allotted time" that network uses.

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Last year I watched HBO's Project Green Light that Matt Damon and Ben Affleck produce. They get new talent and surround them with professionals and the money to make their movie.

Last year they got a bull headed greenhorn who blew his budget on using film instead of going digital. They even tried to show him a way of faking digital into looking like vintage film.

He spent all his time arguing and letting prime locations slide until he got a total crap movie. But by God he got it on film for all time.

Plot and acting is more important to me than optics. I watched "The Hateful Eight" which was shot with wide angled panorama lenses not used since the 1980's by Quinton Tarantino. He got outdoor shots of a stage crossing snow covered landscapes alright. But there were only a handful of cities in the US where you could appreciate it since those wide screens and the projectors needed are almost all gone. Most of the movie was shot in a cramped snow bound cabin.

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I really liked the choice of shots they used. That long steadycam shot up the stairs towards the hotel room, and the way that shoot the initial scene in the diner. Sometimes the choice of shots takes you out of the film for a second, but I always like that if its not done too often.

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Panavision Cameras and Lenses were used throughout the film. Personally I thought the cinematography was amazing and very reminiscent of a Fritz Lang or F.W. Murnau picture with regards to the noir-style of lighting with dramatic falloff and sharp shadows. A lot of steadicam work was utilized, and I thought fittingly so. Anderson chose to shoot in the anamorphic 2.35:1 aspect ration and it works beautifully for this particular script. There were a lot of very slight rack focuses between character's faces, many times along the Z-Axis. Above all, maybe my favorite shot is either the very opening shot, as Sydney steps into the very right of the frame and then begins to walk, the steadicam at a very low angle, continuing right along with him until the frame is filled with John's face and body, sitting on the sidewalk looking up at Sydney, who is for the most part, of screen. i also loved the first long-steadicam shot in the casino, where Elswitt takes us on a tour-de-france of the casino like a child on their first trip to Disneyland, weaving and maneuvering through gamblers and people while catching glimpses of everything that's taking place. Overall, great cinematography and an amazing piece of writing for someone who is only 25 years old at the time.

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Three million is a tiny budget for a feature film, so there's your answer. I thought it looked perfectly adequate, anyway.





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Plenty of movies have been made on a small budget that looked great. The budget is rarely the issue; it's who you hire to shoot it. In this case it was Robert Elswit, one of the best DPs in the business. The OP has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

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I ain't got not problem with the camera work. I dug it!

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Looked fine to me, Charlie.

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