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Dark City and The Matrix


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WOW !!!

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Very trippy, I'm surprised I didn't notice some of those similarities.

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they have very similar plots too.

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But they were made in different ways. Matrix is a flashy action movie aimed more at the teen crowd where Dark City is more adult oriented. I like them both but Dark City is easily the better of the two.

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Basically because both movies share Gnostic principles. Especially Dark City. Hello Archons.

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Basically because both movies share Gnostic principles. Especially Dark City. Hello Archons.


Can you please explain or where can I find more info?

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I can explain a little, just by introducing you to the concepts.

There were Seven Heavens, ruled by the Demiurge surrounded by Archons begotten by him, who are the jailers of the souls. "They say," records Epiphanius, "that the soul is the food of the Archons and Powers without which they cannot live ..."

The demiurge (/ˈdɛmiˌɜrdʒ/) is a concept from the Platonic, Neopythagorean, Middle Platonic, and Neoplatonic schools of philosophy for an artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and maintenance of the physical universe. The term was subsequently adopted by the Gnostics. Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not necessarily thought of as being the same as the creator figure in the familiar monotheistic sense, because both the demiurge itself plus the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are considered either uncreated and eternal, or the product of some other being, depending on the system.


So the demiurge is in essence, a false god that fashions the world in its vision and image. It's name was Yaldabaoth.

In the various branches of the Neoplatonic school (third century onwards), the demiurge is the fashioner of the real, perceptible world after the model of the Ideas, but (in most Neoplatonic systems) is still not itself "the One". In the arch-dualist ideology of the various Gnostic systems, the material universe is evil, while the non-material world is good. Accordingly, the demiurge is malevolent, as linked to the material world.


Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God and the demiurgic “creator” of the material. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme Being: his act of creation occurs in unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality. Thus, in such systems, the Demiurge acts as a solution to (or, at least possibly, the problem or cause that gives rise to)the problem of evil.

In the most radical form of Christian Gnosticism, the Demiurge is the "jealous God" of the Old Testament.


Does that above sound familiar? Have a quick read about The Demiurge, plenty of info on the net. To know the Demiurge, one must know its mother, Sophia. Who created the demiurge without divine consent, and in doing so, had to hide her creation from the The One. The demiurge then believed it to be the only thing in existence, hence, blind to the other super-realities. The word dēmiourgos properly describes his relation to the material; he is the father of that which is animal like himself. The Animal like himself. His powers are Sophia's, but he has no knowledge of his Mother. None. And so he creates what he believes to be all. Thus Sophia’s power becomes enclosed within the material forms of humanity, themselves entrapped within the material universe: the goal of Gnostic movements was typically the awakening of this spark, which permitted a return by the subject to the superior, non-material realities which were its primal source.

To reunite with the Mother. To go beyond the material realm we are trapped in.

In the Ophite and Sethian systems, which have many affinities with that last mentioned, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but their chief, “Yaldabaoth” (also known as "Yaltabaoth" or "Ialdabaoth") comes into still greater prominence.

In the Apocryphon of John c. 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:

Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come


What does the Matrix have? The Architect and The Oracle.
What does Dark City have? Now this is a little bit harder, probably because it follows the Gnostic more closely, and Jennifer Connelly's role is not so clearly defined. But she can be considered Sophia, because her betrayal (the affair) causes John's "waking up" to the entrapment by the Strangers. Who not only resemble the Archons, but also the Qliphoth/Qelippot or Kelipot of Kabbalah.

In Gnostic psychology, the noetic science of the Mystery Schools, Archons are an alien force that intrudes subliminally upon the human mind and deviates our intelligence away from its proper and sane applications. They are not what makes us act inhumanely, for we all have the potential to go against our innate humanity, violating the truth in our hearts, but they make us play out inhumane behavior to weird and violent extremes.

Hence, Archons are psycho-spiritual parasites. Yet as offspring of the Aeon Sophia , they are also our cosmic kin.Working through telepathy and suggestion, the Archons attempt to deviate us from our proper course of evolution. Their most successful technique is to use religious ideology to insinuate their way of thinking and, in effect, substitute their mind-set for ours.


The strangers seek to deviate the dark city residents in efforts to locate the human soul, which they need to survive. They seek to become us, to possess what we have which remains unknowable to them. So they seek. John Murdoch stops this from happening by "waking up" and evolving. He becomes like them and tells them they look in the wrong place for the soul. They will never find it. They are Archon. They are Demiurge. They are Matrix. They are Dark City. Zion is what they seek, but they will never possess it. Ever.


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What an amazing post!
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Thanks a lot, I saved the text for a future reference

I hope more people can read your post!

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This is important to remember.

The Demiurge was created by Sophia, she who knew of the Divine, The One and Super-realities, but this was done without consent. So she hid the Demiurge to a degree that the Demiurge upon being born, had no knowledge of its mother or its creation. It only knew It. And therefore fashioned a world that suited It, using the powers bestowed upon It through divine providence, but with no knowledge of the divine that willed it.

We (human beings in this reality) are fashioned from the power of Sophia given to the Demiurge. But WE are aware of the super-realities, the One, because we are created from the same source. This reality seeks to deny that connection simply by its being, because the Demiurge was hidden from the source to hide Sophia's error. So in creating a false reality, a matrix, a dark city, almost automatically creates awareness of how it came to be. It is finding through all the "false" that we find the "true", basically. We are all "waking up" in essence, though each experience is individual, all roads take you there. Some believe.

It's Beauty and the Beast.

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The Strangers / Archons / Kelibot seek the human soul. Why? Because it is connected to The One. To the Source. Through Sophia. They, as beings created by her son the Demiurge, know of the power given but not its source, because they are the hidden ones. They are facets of the demiurge that acknowledge his presence, his throne, his creation, but not how it came to be.

They need us to know the source. But cannot attain it.

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Now ...

Keanu Reeves latest film 47 Ronin.

What is the true mission of the Ronin? To avenge the death of their lord, or to reunite Keanu's character with his female love, their lord's daughter.

Keanu in 47 Ronin is half-man/ half beast/demon. A hybrid of the true creation (The Monad's divine power, through Sophia, creator of the Demiurge), and the primal (Yaldabaoth / The Material Realm), or in truth Adam. The Man. Divine and Damned.

He will search 10,000 lifetimes to be with his love if he cannot be with her in this present incarnation. His love tells him she will always be there waiting. Wherever he searches, she will be there.

The 47 Ronin fight a lord who achieves his power through treachery and dark magic.
What is the Demiurge? A being born in error through betrayal of the Monad, whose power to create worlds and destroy them is given through his mother, Sophia, but is blind to the worlds that created him. His magic is dark, without divine wisdom and grace.

In defeating the dark lord, Adam is reunited with Sophia, and goes on to his next incarnation, in search for her. She is already there, because she, like the Monad IS. And always will be, no matter what dark lords do or whom they deceive.

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So now I need to watch 47 Ronin too!

Great post again, thanks a lot, is better watching a movie knowing more about the subject.

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You're welcome. As you catch the main theme, you'll find it's in many movies. It's given new images, new plots, but in essence always the same story.

Let's take two Terry Gilliam films, The Fisher King and 12 Monkeys.

In The Fisher King, Robin Williams is caught in an alternate reality through a tragic separation from his wife. This alternate reality we call insanity, he might call it something else. Jeff Bridges, through fate, has to save Robin Williams from this reality by getting him the grail, and allowing him to fall in love again. To find the girl.

Robin Williams, by default, comes across as half-man/half-animal by his circumstances, attire and behaviour alone. Especially when compared to Bridges. The trauma of the separation from his wife has left him fighting red knights and hallucinating between two separate worlds. His true mission is not the grail, it is to feel love again, to be able to find HER, his missing part.

^^^ quick synopsis

In 12 Monkeys, the people who survived the contagion have begun to master time travel, and are able to influence and direct the past, redefining reality, and insuring the course of events to assert their power over the survivors.

Bruce Willis is sent because he is "special". He is also very strong, very capable of killing, and just has the right stuff for the mission. He can be an animal if he needs to be. What is the mission? Find the 12 Monkeys. What does he find? The girl (Madeleine Stowe) he sees in his dreams. He swears he knows her, but does not know from where. All he knows is he wants to be with her. In doing so, he becomes trapped in a time loop, in a paradox. But aware of the trap, as he sees himself as an older man on a mission, and he recognises her for who she is.

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The Fisher King added to my "to watch" list!

Robin Williams, by default, comes across as half-man/half-animal by his circumstances, attire and behaviour alone. Especially when compared to Bridges. The trauma of the separation from his wife has left him fighting red knights and hallucinating between two separate worlds. His true mission is not the grail, it is to feel love again, to be able to find HER, his missing part.


Really powerful argument!

I watched 12 Monkeys and never knew about the things behind!

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This thread is getting hilarious!

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Welcome aboard!

:)

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All two of us here!

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In the end I decided just to recommend two books. Understanding the past is the present enables one to see in movies old stories made new.

Secret Teachings of All Ages, by Manly P. Hall

The Alchemy Key: The Mystical Provenance of the Philosophers' Stone
by Stuart Nettleton

Both can be found in PDF format for free.

The only other thing I can recommend is keeping an eye out for Volkswagen Beetles in movies. When they appear, and what colour they are.

90% of the time, they are going to be one of these four colours.
WHITE
RED
YELLOW
BLUE

And not shades of. Absolute in their primary form. Happy looking ;)

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The Matrix would be what TV Tropes would call a spiritual successor of Dark City. They even reused some of the same sets (the rooftops and the spiral-staired apartment)

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Interesting, did not know that, watched Dark City in 2015 and liked it but Love The Matrix.

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls079023906/

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The Matrix would be what TV Tropes would call a spiritual successor of Dark City. They even reused some of the same sets (the rooftops and the spiral-staired apartment)

Or vice versa. The draft of the Matrix that was pitched to many studios, including the one which ended up producing it, *and* Dark City (not a coincidence): Warner Bros, was pitched before the Wachowskis directed their first movie Bound.

Because The Matrix seemed like a huge undertaking, no studio would give it to two inexperienced directors so they did Bound first. But the Matrix existed long before Dark City, in script and partial story board form.

Since the Matrix was released less than a year after Dark City was, and the Matrix wasn't shot and produced in a couple of months, you can draw your own conclusions.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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