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Who mourned for Madeline?


I know I wept when she died and even now I have dreams about her. Every time she dies in a new way and I ball my eyes out.

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I didn't have that exact reaction, but I did think the way she was written out/killed off was totally ridiculous - just like a lot of what happened at the end of Season 4. It did a diservice to her character and was totally unnecessary.

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Agreed. It was totally ridiculous. Like most of the stuff that occurred in the last episode of that season.

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I never was sure how i felt about Madeline. There were times i hated her and then sometimes i really liked her.

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It didn't make sense that a fighter and survivor like Madeline would all of a sudden commit suicide because she was told she was being transferred somewhere else.

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I agree it was pretty sudden. But, I think that both her and Operations would rather die than not be in control of everybody and every situation. Their downfall began when they realized that Nikita and Michael were better than they were so they tried to kill Nikita, when that didn't work they tried to break them up, when that didn't work they tried to erase Nikita's memory of Michael. If they would have used half as much energy just trying to get along with them maybe they wouldn't have ended up the way they did.

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Madeline wasn't just a survivor and a fighter - she was strong willed and took *beep* from no one...even Operations (meaning she might have taken some, but most of it she paid back with interest. Theirs was a strange symbiosis). Her deciding she'd rather design her own fate than let anyone dictate it to her made sense to me. It wasn't just a transfer - it was a clear demotion.

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Madeline wasn't just a survivor and a fighter - she was strong willed and took *beep* from no one...even Operations (meaning she might have taken some, but most of it she paid back with interest. Theirs was a strange symbiosis). Her deciding she'd rather design her own fate than let anyone dictate it to her made sense to me. It wasn't just a transfer - it was a clear demotion.


Um...pretty sure they were going to execute her, not transfer her, and that it wasn't going to be a pleasant death. Pretty much the same fate she'd inflicted on many canceled agents. In light of all that, I'm not at all surprised she chose to go out on her own terms.

I thought it was appropriate to the way she'd lived.

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I agree. The way she killed herself seemed ill considered and slapped together. That was not a good period for the show. I didn't like the way they killed Birkoff and then brought him back as his twin brother either. There was alot of grasping at straws during that season.

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she was my fav character. I was bummed out. I hated the hologram thing. I wished they brought her back to season 5 & said she had been revived.

I hated that Madeline was treated like dirt since she really did a great job for section 1. Her committing suicide... ugh. I guess she went out on her own terms. lol

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I didn't weep. And definitely don't think the way she died was ridiculous. It was exactly the way I would have accepted her death. No other death would have done for me. She was a warrior, and invaluable asset to Section and Section fell to pieces when she was gone and that is why I missed her.

But imo swallowing a poison pill is the only way for her to go out as a true intelligence agent. Sure it was sudden, but I understood that madeline would never let someone control her fate (remember she flatlined and threatened to die for real when she was captured by that dude, i forget his name right now). the woman is always ready to sacrifice to stay in control. loved to hate her...


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I love me some Madeline! She was my favorite character next to Birkoff. Aberta Watson played her with an arctic grace that only she alone could dish out. Was anyone else floored by her performance in the final minutes of "Hell Hath No Fury"? If you weren't, watch it again.

Section 1 was downright BORING after she left.

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I was so mixed: Madeline was the perfect love/hate character, because she was so ambiguous. She could smile so warmly, then two seconds later, shoot someone in the head with no emotion whatsoever. God, I loved her character - and no one but Alberta Watson could have carried that character through four seasons of LFN.

There were several reasons for why S5 was written the way it was. First, the actors' contracts had expired at the end of S4, so it was a huge effort to get them all to come back for a fifth season - they'd all moved on, thinking the series was over.

Second, there wasn't the budget to hire them all back for either a full season or even all episodes of an abbreviated season, so five eps was all that could be managed, and that only with a huge fan-base campaign that innundated Warner Brothers and USA Networks with everything from trashed television sets to sunglasses.

Third, most of the writers involved with the first four seasons hadn't even been told the show was cancelled (Peter Lenkov was totally flummoxed when I tagged him and asked what he was planning to do since LFN had been cancelled, and he IM'd me back with "CANCELLED????" The explanation was difficult over IM, and at that point, I realized how nefarious the networks are.)

Fourth, the whole "Madeline commits suicide" thing was mostly a potential plot-twist for the future. Should the show continue, or should there have been a movie, there were contingencies to ensure that Madeline appeared to be dead when, in fact, she bit down on a placebo, faked her death (in a prior ep, she stopped her own heart, so this wasn't an outlandish idea) and escaped with the help of a few Section operatives. The premise was that after Section One fell, Madeline would be safe and sound to rebuild, according to her own design.

Unfortunately, none of these came to fruition. Still, Alberta Watson continues to be a formidable actress, and I look forward to even more great work from her.

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"there wasn't the budget to hire them all back for either a full season or even all episodes of an abbreviated season, so five eps was all that could be managed"

Yeah they didn't do a full 22 episode season like usual, although I think it was 8 episodes.

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Yes, I mourn Madeline. She was an incredible character who I sometimes loved and sometimes hated, but always had respect for. I thought the pill popping was very much in character though - Madeline had been at the brink of death several times during the show - when she was captured and hooked up to that machine that nearly killed her, when she induced her own heart attack, when she was tricked by Operations and nearly blown up in the Red Cell explosion - so actually taking the plunge and killing herself wasn't such a frightening thing for her.

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Madeline died on her own terms. She did not let anyone dictate her outcome. I loved Madeline, and I was shocked by her death, but I didn't mourn her passing. I counted her among the brave and devoted.

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It was sad to see her die because Madeline was a great character and her dynamic with Operations was part of what made the show great. After her death the show just wasnt the same, and both Operations and Section One started to crumble. I always looked forward to seeing what Madeline and Operations would do because they were so intelligent and ruthless, which matched up perfectly against Michael and Nikita. And of course with Madeline being basically a psychopath with almost no emotion or empathy, it made her stand out over almost all female characters I've ever seen on TV.

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The actress's death in real life saddened me. She died of cancer.

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