Buffy, the Vampire Slayer is the 38th best show ever
According to Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/lists/100-greatest-tv-shows-of-all-time-w439520/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-w439599
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A list that claims that "Sex and the city" would be better than "Doctor Who" receives nothing but laughter from me.
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If you are expecting to agree with every single decision in a top 100, you are going to have a bad time.
shareDont worry, I didnt bother to continue to read the rest.
Its an incredibly stupid format anyway. Seriously ? One tv show per PAGE ? One could easily fit them all on one or two pages.
That alone was stupid.
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Er... The link I posted shows all the tv shows from number 50 to number 1 as you scroll down the page... And if you pressed the "back to top" option that was just below the Buffy entry, it would start from you number 100 all the way to number 1 as you scroll down the page...
On top of that, you didn't bother reading the rest just because you didn't agree with one entry? Maybe you should hold off in proclaiming stuff as stupid...
That's good, but Empire used to have Buffy as #2 behind The Simpsons, and now it's at #22.
At the end of the day, it's good that it's mentioned on these lists.
The Sopranos is number one, so I can't be too mad. But it's a rather populist list. Orange Is The New Black in the top 30? Game of Thrones has no business being in the top 15. It's a great spectacle of a show that has brilliant moments, but from a pacing, character and plot development standpoint it's been a mess since its third season. But this isn't a consensus list. It's just one writer from Rolling Stone that compiled it. Had it been multiple critics or writers I would have been more annoyed by some of the placings. It's also Rolling Stone. No one should pay attention to RS when it comes to TV. That place is even losing its grasp on music.
shareI don't think any recent show belongs on there. Shows should have to 'earn' their classic status. Buffy's been around long enough to be considered a classic of TV
shareBeing classic has nothing to do with being good.
shareThere's something to be said for shows that age well. For example, the late 90's had a string of female led, quirky comedy-dramas like Ally McBeal, Sex and the City and Gilmore Girls. 'Ally' and 'Sex' were more popular and would be higher on most of these lists at the time. Yet, Gilmore girls has probably aged the best. Then there are shows that were at one point underrated or under-watched that received high acclaim some time after its run . Freaks and Geeks would fit that category.
Something like Game of Thrones is a show is a hugely popular show right now. But its storytelling and characterization gets clunkier by the season. So, I have no problem with newer shows being on these lists. But it'll be nice if people who've watched a ton of classic TV take a step back and really decide if their including certain things because of their popularity right now or do they really think it belongs that high. There tends to be a lot of prisoner of the moment when it comes to these lists.
What you are mostly talking about is simply being popular at any given moment but not being actually good.
Pretty much all cases of things that don't age well are cases of things that were popular but weren't that good, and that becomes more obvious when we look back at it.
Something that is very much a product of its time but is still actually good will still have its quality apparent looking back on it.
In short, quality doesn't necessarily depend on popularity.
That's sorta-kinda what I'm saying. But what I'm actually saying is that certain shows get better with time and/or re-watches and some don't. Something that may be seen as groundbreaking at its time might come off rudimentary once expanded on with later shows. And some shows just don't have a ton of re-watch value once the initial surprise and awe wears off. I'm also saying that the media often gets caught up in hype and popularity with these types of lists and often look to include a couple of hot, new things even if they're undeserving, often for more clicks and to appease fanboys.
shareHappy to see buffy crack the top 50 , it should have been in the top 25. Happier to see Friday Night Lights make the list as well. buffy and Friday night lights are one and if not the only two teen shows I have seen with a great plot and likeable characters without any OOC moments for shock value.
shareFNL and Buffy definitely had their OOC and shock value moments, though I mostly agree. FNL would make my top ten, and Buffy would crack my top 25. Freaks and Geeks (though it lasted one season) and Veronica Mars are quality "teen shows" without the campy soap opera and with some real creative ambition. My So Called Life, though once again it lasted one season, is another one of those shows as well. But I'm not as big a fan as so many.
shareIt's very true that many shows are popular at the time, but might not age too well. I don't think a lot of the X Files for example , has aged that well.
I do think Buffy has aged quite well, and is still just as enjoyable now. Throw on an episode right now, and it's as good as it ever was
X-Files is still one of my top 20 dramas, but I agree that a lot of it (particularly its first couple and last couple seasons) has not aged particularly well. Most of it is just too redundant, basic and routine compared to genre TV that came after. But it remains an important show for the medium.
shareRS lists suck.
Say, do you hear that? It's the sound of the Reaper.....
RS lists suck.Yeah. And Hollywood marriages dont last.
Well SMG and AH seem fine so far. Also MJH(*).
(*) Thats short for Melissa Joan Hart, the star of Sabrina the teenage witch, in case you dont know.
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I think it is good Buffy is still making lists but there are a lot of good TV shows like Alias and 24 that were missing which were included in the top 40 of a lot of other greatest TV show lists and I wouldn't have put the Borepranos as number 1.😂
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Sopranos slander is not allowed. Even if you don't love it it's still the most important television drama ever and altered the landscape of TV in almost every way.
shareEven if you don't love it it's still the most important television drama ever and altered the landscape of TV in almost every way.
I don't remember it being that successful here. It was on Channel 9 at 10:30 and was pushed back to 11:30 'cause of low ratings. In fact, if I remember correctly it was cancelled by Channel 9. Alias, Dawson's Creek, 24, The West Wing, the OC and Smallville all got higher ratings here around that time.
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It was an American show, so I'm talking about its success in the states. And I'm also not talking about its ratings. Anything can have huge ratings and comparing the ratings of certain networks with others (particularly pay networks) doesn't really add up.
I'm talking about how it re-defined what a television drama can be. It broadened the level of structural and thematic ambition and sophistication of television. Its themes and structure has been mimicked or influenced in some way by almost every "prestige" drama that has come after. It was also the launching pad to HBO becoming such a dominant force in subversive, ambitious TV making, which not only led to a bigger platform for that network but also for all the other cable networks and eventually led to things like Netflix and Amazon creating original programming. Its influence is huge. But beyond influence I still think it has a legitimate claim as the best TV show ever.
It was an American show, so I'm talking about its success in the states. And I'm also not talking about its ratings.
It is for that reason I don’t think it is the greatest TV show of all time ‘cause a truly successful TV show should have success all over the world. This is why ‘Who Shot JR’ was historically known as “the moment that made the world stand still’ and not "the moment that made America stand still" and the Sopranos didn’t reach anywhere near the same success as Dallas did in the 80s on a global scale nor was it as successful as Wonder Woman, Charlie’s Angels, Starsky & Hutch, Hart to Hart, the Rockford Files, the Mary Tyler Moore Show, Green Acres, Columbo, Moonlighting, the Waltons, Are You Being Served, Hawaii Five O, Family Ties, Magnum, Cheers, Happy Days, Dynasty, the Love Boat, Absolutely Fabulous, Walker Texas Ranger, Seinfeld, Fraiser, Home Improvement, the Simpsons, Mad About You, Fantasy Island, Keeping Up Appearances, Some Mother's Do 'Av Em, 7th Heaven, I Love Lucy, Gilligan's Island, That Girl, Laverne and Shirley, Fawlty Towers, Mash, Allo, Allo etc on a global scale. These were shows that almost everybody watched and loved back then. The same can’t be said about the Sopranos. I don’t know anybody who even watched the Sopranos and I know a lot of people.
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Yes, because greatness equates to viewership. Most of the highest acclaimed movies and TV shows ever aren't the highest rated and most money making movies ever. That's like disputing the influence of 2001: A Space Odyssey because it was an initial flop in theaters. If the only argument you have is that something was more watched so it was better then you have no argument. And many of the shows you mentioned were less watch internationally than The Sopranos. So, even from that angle your argument makes no sense. The Sopranos was the first show to sell huge on VHS/DVD. So, even people who didn't watch its early seasons live caught up. If you don't like the show that's one thing. But don't come up with some silly reason to dismiss it.
shareYes, because greatness equates to viewership. Most of the highest acclaimed movies and TV shows ever aren't the highest rated and most money making movies ever. That's like disputing the influence of 2001: A Space Odyssey because it was an initial flop in theaters. If the only argument you have is that something was more watched so it was better then you have no argument. And many of the shows you mentioned were less watch internationally than The Sopranos. So, even from that angle your argument makes no sense. The Sopranos was the first show to sell huge on VHS/DVD. So, even people who didn't watch its early seasons live caught up. If you don't like the show that's one thing. But don't come up with some silly reason to dismiss it.
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Most of the josh schwartz teen show like the OC and gossip girl had good viewership but none of those show has ever made the list of greatest tv shows. share
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