If the abuse of the fours boys is difficult for me, a female viewer, I just wondered how much harder it must be for viewer of the same sex as the characters? There must be a different view because of this idea of emasculation that comes with it.
And I've always envied male friendships. Anyone ever had any friends as close as they were in the film?
I first saw this film at fourteen and yes, I am a man. Being a fourteen-year-old boy like the protagonists are when they get raped did leave quite a lasting impression on me. Luckily, I did not suffer any nightmares from the reform school scenes with Nokes but suffice it say I have a special place in my heart that burns with hatred for all men like him and regrets--as an atheist--that there is no hell for people like him to go to.
shareand regrets--as an atheist--that there is no hell for people like him to go to.
Somehow I'll bet that you're one of those people that complain about how much religious people talk about their beliefs (especially when no way relevant to the discussion).
As for how I felt, I watched this movie at probably age 15 or so. Honestly, it was very heavy indeed. Sexual assault always is. But it probably wasn't quite as painful for me as male-on-female sexual assault. At the time, I had read a lot about Charles Manson, and had a clear idea of what these kinds of corrupt institutions were like back then. Maybe that helped to kind of desensitize me to it. Hard to describe, but I guess I felt was like I was "ready" for it, and probably would have messed me up worse had I gone in with naivety regarding the situation.
And I have to say that as I look back, I've not had a lot of close male friends who weren't two out of three of my brothers. I had one best friend in the Marines, a guy who was more than just an acquaintance to kick it with. But these days, we don't talk at all. I don't even like talking to him on Facebook, we've each done a complete 180, and have grown apart in life. Aside from that, most of my friends are actually female (no, I'm not gay). So the friendship depicted on film was kind of an "outside looking in" type of thing, as I had nothing at those ages to compare it to.
Rape is rape, regardless of the the sex of the victim or perpetrator. I am a female survivor or rape, that happened at the age of 15.
"Time wounds all heels." Groucho Marx, Go West
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Oh my God.
Just shut it. Just stop.
It is NOT somehow "worse" for men. Do NOT minimize female rape like that--which is, BTW, overwhelmingly committed by men. Both are horrible, life-changing experiences. And if you think a boy being raped by a man somehwo turns him gay, you are homophobic as well as insensitive--people are BORN gay, not turned that way through rape. Stop trying to win the oppression Olympics, and STOP minimizing what happens to women MUCH more often than to men. Just stop. Right now.
Unbelievable.
it is worse because men aren't supposed to be penetrated at all while that's how women have sex.
I would feel way different about being molested by a woman than a man as a man.
Not only are you a rape victim you would feel like your manhood was taken
ego and manhood is way more important to men than women.
That implies being a woman is less than being a man. You should join us in 2014.
Straightedge means I'm better than you.
"because men aren't supposed to be penetrated at all"..... wow that's a pretty naive and ignorant thing to say. Try telling that BS to a gay guy lol.
shareHate to break it to ya, Einstein, but the stinky anus isn't a vagina nor a substitute. The anus is an opening in the buttocks through which excrement leaves the body; the vagina, by contrast, is a sex organ. Know the difference.
shareAre you like 12 yrs old or something lol? Hate to break it to ya, Einstein but for your information men have the P spot(prostate gland)/nerve endings, try researching the human male/female anatomy before coming on here to spew ignorant juvenile uneducated nonsense you thickheaded moron. Do you hate homosexuals or something? Anal stimulation isn't just for gays either, straight men and women practice it as well..... go look it up and learn something because you sound like a damn fool lol. The truth hurts, the anus is a sex organ and medically proven to be a sex organ you dope. Here, learn something: https://cdn.citl.illinois.edu/courses/CHLH206/ch3_4_anatomy_lecture/web_data/file23.htm
shareClearly you have no clue what a sex organ is, because it is by its very definitions an organ that is used for reproduction. Now while you might like fucking assholes or having your own asshole fucked, I can guarantee that no matter how long you fuck someone's asshole or let someone fuck your asshole, there is not going to be any conception resulting from it.
As for you prostate comment, pull your fucking head out a brain surgeon could stimulate certain spots on a person's brain and give the person an erection, it doesn't mean that that spot is magically a sex organ any more than your heart that pumps the blood into your penis is a sex organ because it helps you get an erection. Go take a fucking basic biology class.
A woman's clitoris isn't used for "reproduction", yet it still functions as a sex organ and has no other purpose other than another G spot. Also, if sex is only about reproduction, then how do you explain a woman's sex organ still functioning after menopause, getting tubes tied, or just barren? What is the purpose of it then if she is no longer able to reproduce? Why is there so much rampant homosexuality in the animal kingdom if the sole purpose is for reproduction? I don't think you've thought this through very well. Also, you're a deleted account so that tells me everything right there lol.
shareThe article you cited doesn't make any claim that the anus is a sex organ. Just because you put a penis in something doesn't make it a sex organ. If it did, a cantaloupe would be a sex organ too
shareOk, but a cantaloupe isn't born with a natural anus with nerve endings, you have to cut one out. Also, it's a piece of fruit, not a sentient being. That is a pretty asinine comparison lol.... c'mon now. And yes, it clearly spells it out right in front of you the anus IS a sex organ for both male and female.... you're in complete denial lol. I don't think you're qualified as a doctor who has far more knowledge about human anatomy than you ever will so who are you to say what is or isn't a sex organ? What the hell do you know?
shareWomen also get raped in the anus. Also more heterosexual people have anal sex than gay men.
sharePer Capita? Heterosexual people are like 95% of the Earth's population. So yeah, obviously they're gonna have "more" anal sex than gay men do, in raw numbers. But when you adjust for population and demographic size, do heterosexual people have anal sex more often per capita than gay men do?
No, not by a long shot.
Why adjust for population/demographic though? That has nothing to do with my point, which is that anal sex isn't "just a gay thing" and that women get fucked/raped in the ass also.
But sure you are correct that gay men per capita have more anal sex, but its irrelevant to this discussion and my point.
I'd continue this conversation, and explain to you why it's ALWAYS important to calculate the data per-capita when you make a statement like "Group A does this more than Group B does," but since I just noticed that you said you were aroused watching 12 year old boys being raped in this movie, I have no interest in continuing to talk to you.
shareI find this is a difficult discussion to have.
I have no interest in 12 year old boys, other than hoping they have a healthy future ahead of them.
But there are important discussions to be had
"Heterosexual people are like 95%"..... actually, they're not, most humans fall in between straight and gay on the sexuality spectrum. It's true, do some actual research.
shareThe rectum and anus evolved solely as a port for the discharge of shit. Only the vagina evolved as a receptacle for the penis, as well as the exit opening for infants being born. Gay men enjoy putting their dicks up buttholes, but that doesn't mean buttholes are sex organs.
share"but that doesn't mean buttholes are sex organs.".... you obviously don't know a whole lot about the male prostate and anal anatomy. If it wasn't a sex organ then anal sex wouldn't even be possible in the first place, it's just plain common sense. It's something that people just don't want to face or admit, because it destroys the heteronormative narrative that everyone gets brainwashed with since birth. Also, the anus never evolved.
shareGay paedophile rape is worse.
shareYour a very stupid man.
shareB***sh**.
You're a homophobe. I have plenty of male friends who are friends with each other, and one is gay. In fact one of my best friends who happened to be straight, had a gay man as his best man at his wedding.
You're a homophobe.
I'd say he's a troll Ceebee if I didn't realize the enormous amount of stupid people that exist in the world and if he really is a troll, that makes him stupid anyway.
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You shouldn't envy male friendships, at least not among adults. From my experience, women reach out to each much more easily as we get older, while men are uncomfortable appearing vulnerable. Pretty sure the data will back this up, that women have better relationships with other women as they get older than men do.
shareI just can't get the image of Jussie Smolett having a fag fest in prison. It turns my stomach. I wonder if ole Jussie came up w his bullshit, just to get to a chance to play a woman's roll.
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