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What exactly are those 'football ticket stumps' that the father shows?


or whatever they are called? how the hell is that proof anyway. are they just receipts for the game? they could be anyones..

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Ticket "STUBBS" are simply just the tickets. when you enter an event (whether it be the football or a movie) with a ticket, they are torn by the usher and the left over ticket that you're handed back is the Stubb.

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OK I dont know why the father would have them all though..

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Well it was all part of their scamm.... either the father actually did go to the game that night and kept the stubbs or one of the guys just tracked them down and gave them to him as faulse evidence as part of their lie.

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They could have been stubs that Father Bobby had from any game he had ever attended - and he seemed like a guy who would enjoy basketball games. Remember nobody asked to inspect the ticket stubs: Sullivan never asked for them to be presented into evidence; he would have been the one to do it.

I'm more interested in the fate of Father Bobby's soul...

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The stubs have the date of the game on them.

This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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Sullivan never asked for them to be presented into evidence; he would have been the one to do it.


No, as the prosecutor, he would have been fighting to keep them out. It was defense attorney Snyder (Hoffman) who would have offered them into evidence. They would likely have been admitted, because the defense does not have to reveal all their evidence in advance, whereas the prosecution does.

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He explained all of that...did you watch the movie?

When being questioned by Dustin Hoffman about his claim that he was at the Knicks game with Tommy and John, Hoffman asked him if he had any proof that he had gone to the game: a credit card receipt, etc..

DeNiro replied he remembered that the Celtics beat the Knicks, and no proof, that he always paid cash.

He then was asked if he was just trying to cover for the boys that he loved and knew growing up, and if he had any proof at all that he and the boys were at the game.

He replied that he wasn't used to having his word questioned as a priest. It was at this point, he whips out the three ticket stubs.

Then when asked: isn't it kind of strange that he would have saved all of the tickets stubs, including those of the two boys, his reply was NO, that he made it a habit of saving the stubs from all of the games he attended.

That coupled with the fact he was a priest, gave him credibility in the jury's eyes, that was almost irrefutable.

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Right, it's not absolute proof, but they just needed a credible witness to give the boys an alibi. They had already made Nokes seem like an unsympathetic victim to the jury, who was a child molester and therefore could have been killed by anyone.

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Pitt asked him...not Hoffman

What the $%*& is a Chinese Downhill?!?

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Ooops.....correct, Pitt the DA in his cross exam asked Father Bobby.

Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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There's only one 'B' - it is 'stub'.

Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.

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That would be "STUB".

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I believe they were basketball tickets, not football tickets.

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whoa, sorry for the major errors guys... i'll be more careful in the future.

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surely they would have expected Brad pitts character to cross examine the two defendants about this , what seats they were sitting, who scored etc

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Mooreiswar, that's what my grandfather said back then.Of course, the two could have said they just don't remember, they don't care about basketball, and they just went because Father Bobby had bought the tickets, and they didn't want to embarass him.
But I think it was all a question of psychology. Brad Pitt directed the attention of the jury away from the fact that ticket stubs don't really count as evidence. Father Bobby could have been to the game with two other people or gotten the tickets by other means. He pretended to corner Father Bobby with the fact that he didn't have any proof that he purchased the tickets…but then Father Bobby shows them, and admit it, you were impressed when you saw the movie for the first time. And unlike the jury, we knew that the whole thing was a scam.

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Something that always bothered me about this was that if I had been on that jury, I certainly would have wondered what was up with Brad Pitt not saying something at the very least like "you could have gone with any other two people" or something like that.

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I think Brad Pitt is too shocked by the stubs' appearance - his case, damaged by the disastrous character witness, had been destroyed just as he was twisting the knife in De Niro. He's visibly stunned and I think at that point, he realises that the defendants he had always assumed were guilty are actually innocent.

(At least, this is how it appears to the jury!)

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Defendents don't have to take the stand.

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Well it's not a lot to ask is it? It was basketball, and they are ticket stubs. Since you jumped to football I just assumed you were from Europe, and therefore most likely stupid.

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You weren't paying attention, were you? First, they were basketball stubs. He just perjured himself saying he, a priest, John and Tommy were at the Knicks game at the time the murders were committed, thus giving them the alibi that got them acquitted.

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I'm surprised no one noticed that he got the tickets from the fat shop owner, he was given an envelope (the ticket stubs) along with the cigarettes and change from the store. He probably did not even go to the game.

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Showtime - i am glad some one actually watched the movie - great attention to detail my man.

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Showtime - i am glad some one actually watched the movie - great attention to detail my man.

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You thought this so important to note that you click reply, go back and click reply another 2 times so that your comment shows up 3 times?

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You thought this so important that you had to write an actual whole post about it? You must be American, right? Because you certainly are stupid...

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A priest said that they were with him and the stubs showed some proof that they were there, as did him talking about the game. To most people that is more than enough to create reasonable doubt let alone considering child molesters. There is no requirement for absolute proof on the part of the defense in murder/criminal trials.

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King Benny got the stubs -- he had connections with guys in ticket offices and he could probably get stubs from any game he wanted. So he had one of his boys pass the envelope to Fat Mancho at the party store who slipped it to Hoffman, who had a guy HE know leave them in the church for Father Bobby to pick up.

The stubs were a complete shock to Michael. He didn't know they were coming. He thought it would be enough that Father Bobby testified at all -- he didn't figure he would have actual physical evidence to support his story.

But it also means Father Bobby's lying is a little more intentional and planned-out than simply lying about the basketball game.





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4) You ever seen Superman $#$# his pants? Case closed.

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Michael and Shakes knew full well that John and Tommy were street criminals, murderers, and would probably go down sooner or later for committing some crime -- that was out of their control.

All they wanted to do was to get payback on the Wilkinson's guards. With Nokes they got it when John and Tommy smoked him, Addison got whacked by Little Caesar's hit crew, Styler got sent to jail, Ferguson was discredited and ruined and probably sent to jail.

Once that was done it was up to all of them to go on and live their lives. John and Tommy dying at age 29 by violent means was not exactly surprising.



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4) You ever seen Superman $#$# his pants? Case closed.

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Right on, jaystarstar, the trial was Michael's, Brad Pitt's character, ultimate goal to get even with the correction guards by exposing them.

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The football stumps were trees that were cut down to carve out the goalposts which clearly show the father is lying since he said he went to a basketball game not the football game where the boys beat the guards and Dustin Hoffmann should have asked him the question before Brad Pitt entered the tickets into evidence. See it was all a setup because the real killers were King Benny's thugs. The boys just imagined they killed Sean Noaks, due to the trama of their ordeal. I thought that was really clear in this movie.

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