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How can characters be that stupid?


At the end when Rita Wilson and Jake Lloyd are talking to Howard(arnold) in a Turbo Man suit how do they not know it's him. There's only one Arnold and you can't tell me they're that stupid.

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Correction: Turtleman suit..

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Howard wasn't all that bright either.. he had two easy opportunities to get out of his turtleman predicament and didn't recognize either.

The first was the "multi lingual" gray market version the toy sharks sold him. Sure, so it spoke only Spanish and needed assembly, but it *was* a Turboman doll. Even thought it wasn't perfect, it would suffice until a week or so later when he could acquire a regular production doll. He could say he sent out one of the office minions weeks ago to acquire the doll for him so he didn't know where the doll was bought.

The second way (at least as far as Liz was concerned) was that his Suburban was stripped to the frame in front of the diner. He could tell Liz he stopped for coffee on the way home with the doll *and* her gifts after he picked them up at the office and the truck was broken into. The fact the stripped down Suburban existed would back up his lie. Nobody would strip the truck for parts and leave gifts inside.

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No Howard wasn't that bright I just can't forgive my complaint about his family. I can watch Jingle All the Way and laugh at and hate it at the same time.

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Sure, so it spoke only Spanish and needed assembly, but it *was* a Turboman doll. Even thought it wasn't perfect, it would suffice until a week or so later when he could acquire a regular production doll.


A foreign knock off that breaks is as good as nothing to a kid on christmas morning, and arnold's boy was obsessed with that thing. Anything less than what he saw in that commerical would be a disaster. Imagine how you'd feel opening up a present you'd asked for, say a videogame or toy, and it was a foreign version of it?

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I was referring mostly to Liz's reaction to Howard not getting the doll when he said he would. Sure, Howard dicked out and forgot to keep his promise (the premise of the movie), but the knockoff would still cover his tail - "hey, I didn't know it wasn't an authentic doll"..

But even that wasn't a problem as the Suburban being stripped meant all Howard's (imaginary) gifts were stolen.



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but the knockoff would still cover his tail - "hey, I didn't know it wasn't an authentic doll"..


Yes good points and that would definitely get his wife off his case but Howard missed Jamie's karate class at the start and the kid subsequently had a fit and said he'd only forgive his dad if he got him a turbo man. This was all about buying his son's love with a turbo man, Howard thought that thing equalled his kids love, hence his obsession. He was basically more scared of his kids reaction than his wife's.

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I personally think it was stupid that the wife was depending on her workaholic husband, who is plagued by bad luck a lot, to do something he would technically be too busy to do. I mean, she didn't look like she worked for a living, not with the money that hubby was earning. Why didn't she get off her ass and buy a Turbo Man doll early instead? She had plenty of time on her hands.

But then again, if she'd done that, we wouldn't have had this funny story to watch, so there's that.

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I didn't have a problem with Liz asking Howard to pick up the doll, but it seems odd that she didn't ask him again about it until the night before Christmas Eve.

My wife would have asked me twice daily if I got it until I put the doll right in her hand LOL.

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It's true, she should have nagged him, because that is one situation where constantly reminding him is the only way to ensure he would remember, particularly a workaholic guy like Howard, who is being bombarded with stuff to do every day.

Still, I agree, that wasn't very responsible of her to ask about it two weeks ago, without even checking to make sure Howard was even listening to her when she said so (you always make sure the person is looking directly at you and focusing entirely on you when you do this, because otherwise they'll just pretend to listen and say whatever you want to hear to get you off their back, and, big surprise, they forget what you asked them to do in the future!)

There is one area my brother mentioned about this (and he's a fan of the movie too). He says that Liz was pushing Howard to do all these things for Jamie, because he needed lessons in bonding with his son. The Turboman thing should have been an area they could bond over because Howard was supposed to be Jamie's real-life hero as a dad, and the fictional character had values Howard could emulate; but he had neglected spending time with Jamie in favor of work. In fact, having Liz step in and do all those things for Howard would have ruined that kind of bonding, and it would have let Howard get off the hook for neglecting his son emotionally.

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