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' ... tell them how to bring those sons of bitches down.'


How, by having other pilots commit suicide by flying up into the hearts of the other mother ships?

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No. By firing a missile at the firing mechanism at the center.

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Don't feed the troll

Yours sincerely, General Joseph Liebgott

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Those are NOT the mother ships. There was only ONE mother ship; that was the one that Hiller and Levinson blew up with the nuclear bomb.

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Those are NOT the mother ships. There was only ONE mother ship; that was the one that Hiller and Levinson blew up with the nuclear bomb.


^^This.

"I am the ultimate badass, you do not wanna `*beep*` wit me!"- Hudson in Aliens.

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Seems to be a question you're not allowed to ask, degrimstead. Buggered if I understand it, though.

I asked much the same thing myself a couple of years back, and somehow opened a massive trollfest, with huge steaming piles of shyte being dropped on me from a great height by people on very high horses. IMDb gets pretty ugly at times, but some of the replies I got were bordering on the pathological.

I still don't get what their problem was, except maybe that some people are incapable of thinking something through, and turn into psychos just because they can. In the film, all the missiles fail, even when the "primary weapon" bay is opened; the only thing that seems to work is a plane physically flying into the primary weapon, and the pilot dying, just as it's arming to fire.

So what is it they're supposed to tell the other cities as the way to defeat the weapon? As you said, the only thing that seems to fit is that other pilots die by flying into it, and only while it's arming to fire. Is that what they're really trying to say?

Gakk, I love this film, but some of the dialogue really makes no sense at all. 👀



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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they tell the other cities that a missle must be fired at the open ship, it has no shield anymore, in russels case he comited suicide because his misile was stuck and had no other option than fly into the ship himself, if they had more misiles he wouldn't have done that and the ship was destoyed too.

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No zyppy, that's not true.

Everyone else knew about the shields going down -- that's what Nimzicki was so scornful of, co-ordinating a world-wide counter-strike "with a window of only a few minutes". But when it came down to it, they'd fired all their missiles, and the ship was still intact. As the Pres says, "they're just not doing enough damage".

It's only when Russell makes the primary weapon backfire on itself, that the ship blows up from the inside-out. So, as the OP pointed out, it appears the only way to actually bring the ships is for someone to fly a suicide mission.



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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Yeah, nice try (I'm being generous), and you got to do your habitual thing of flinging insults at people. But as you said, you're no rocket scientist. 


You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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Ignored.


You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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Ignored.


LOL! The internet version of holding your breath and stomping out of the room.

What's hysterical is that YOU are the one who is wrong. "The troll" is right.

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But when it came down to it, they'd fired all their missiles, and the ship was still intact. As the Preas says, "they're just not doing enough damage".


At the time they were firing at the hull of the ship. It did damage, but not that much. It was only when the hull opened and the primary weapon was readied that they had a place to strike that would do damage. They only had a few minutes to try it and they were out of missiles, except for Case.

It's only when Russell makes the primary weapon backfire on itself, that the ship blows up from the inside-out. So, as the OP pointed out, it appears the only way to actually bring the ships is for someone to fly a suicide mission.


No. The President tried, but his missile hit the hull of the ship, rather than the weapon. Case tried to fire his missile, but it jammed. If it hadn't jammed and he could have hit the weapon, it would have been destroyed without a suicide run. The only reason he flew the plane into the weapon is because he was out of missiles, other than the one that jammed.

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Case tried to fire his missile, but it jammed. If it hadn't jammed and he could have hit the weapon, it would have been destroyed without a suicide run.


Casse's missile would have in all likelihood not made any real impact either. He was firing from the same crappy angle that the President did.

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Casse's missile would have in all likelihood not made any real impact either. He was firing from the same crappy angle that the President did.

But still, firing a missile at the opening at least gives a chance of the pilot being able to veer off... Will Smith could have done it. :)

But even if it takes a pilot making a suicide run... it's a lot better than wasting your missiles on the hull and then dying anyway when the aliens destroy everything.

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Casse's missile would have in all likelihood not made any real impact either. He was firing from the same crappy angle that the President did.


I disagree; I watched it again on the 4th and I think that he had a better shot after seeing where the President had shot.

Think about it - which does more damage in battle - missiles or fighter jets? If missiles were no more effective than fighter jets, then why are missiles used in battles? The only thing that's really explosive in a jet is the fuel; a missile has explosives as in intrinsic part of it.

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I think that he had a better shot after seeing where the President had shot.


Russell Casse was too much of a flaming drunk to think in those terms, even on the day he allegedly quit drinking. I've watched that scene too many times to count and the difference in their firing angles was negligible.

If missiles were no more effective than fighter jets, then why are missiles used in battles?


Probably so that suicide missions are unnecessary in less than extreme circumstances.

I'm not saying that a missile couldn't destroy or disable the aliens' primary weapon, I'm saying that from the angle that President Whitmore fired at and Russell attempted to fire at there was no chance of it making contact. They would have had to position themselves somewhere below the weapon and fired their missiles in such a way that they traveled upward towards the weapon in the same path that Russell ultimately flew. Instead, both men were well behind center when they fired.

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No. The user above is correct.

When the stars are the only things we share
Will you be there?


-Benjamin Francis Leftwich

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THANK YOU for your thoughtful response! Sorry I didn't see it till now. Yeah, being called a "troll" for simply asking an innocent question is kinda stunning. But I think the real trolls are the ones who go around accusing everyone of being trolls, ha ha, or just calling people names. Anyway I agree with everything you've said.

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Case strictly made his decision because that thing was armed & jammed. In other words, he had seconds to determine his options: 1) send it into the ship's firing weapon and sacrifice himself, 2) eject from the ship and waste a great opportunity to use it; 3) let it blow itself up with him in it when he runs out of time and still wastes the use of it as a weapon. He committed suicide because that was only the viable option at his fingertips. Great way for him personally to make himself a hero after 20-30 years of misery and go out gracefully without the twisted cobwebs in his screwed up head.

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They can probably find 20 or so people willing to do that if it literally saves the world and all the millions more people who would get killed by the aliens otherwise.

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Well Randy Quaid did it.

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How, by having other pilots commit suicide by flying up into the hearts of the other mother ships?


Not necessarily. Without the shields protecting the ships, the "primary weapon" was also left unprotected and ended up being the Achilles Heel of the operation. Without the shields protecting the weapon, perhaps even RPGs fired into the open maw would take them down.

But even if flying a fighter directly into the ship was the only way to take them down, there would have been plenty of people willing to give their lives to save their families - myself included. Very few parents wouldn't take a bullet for their kids.

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