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It's so hot watching selfish, morally reprehensible, deviants, driving recklessly down a busy freeway with no regard for the innocent lives they're about to alter or end, right? These people do embody the word "deviant" and it seems impossible that anyone like this really exists, at least outside of a mental institution. The Elias Koteas death scene is repugnant.

What sickness of the human brain could have these people getting enjoyment out of the suffering and death that comes from auto accidents? I reject the notion that their lives are so empty and unfeeling that this is the only way they get any sensory input. Instead, this is just some garbage created to shock and really has no substance or value.

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Agree, could not get into this at all. Worst Cronenberg film.

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I reject the notion that their lives are so empty and unfeeling that this is the only way they get any sensory input.


Fortunately, you didn't write the book or make the movie.

Also fortunately, it's fictional. This wasn't a documentary so relax. Watch out for your ulcer.

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I'm aware it's fictional, but "fictional" still needs to be believable and I find this movie preposterous.

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but "fictional" still needs to be believable


Within its own established world. As this movie was.

I find this movie preposterous.


I found it well made, acted, and directed with some disturbing imagery detailing how far some people go to fill an empty void in themselves.

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how far some people go to fill an empty void in themselves.
A bunch of somebodies within a small area and that's what I find unrealistic and preposterous. Do you actually believe it's fairly common to find people that are turned on by car wrecks and scarred-up, crippled human bodies?

There is a freak hiding within David Cronenberg's skin.


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A bunch of somebodies within a small area and that's what I find unrealistic and preposterous.


Who says they all live in the same area? They're car fetishists. It's quite possible they own cars and can travel to get together.

Do you actually believe it's fairly common to find people that are turned on by car wrecks and scarred-up, crippled human bodies?


No. But I don't believe there are time traveling robots either. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy a good Terminator movie or that it's a bad movie because that's unrealistic and preposterous.

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Makes for some great movies.

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Who says they all live in the same area? They're car fetishists. It's quite possible they own cars and can travel to get together.
Yes they were from a relatively small area, Like say a big city. And what's a car fetishist? They were normal people, as far as I could tell, until they got turned on by mangled car wreck victims. The term "car fetishist" seems a strategic choice, by you, to try to make them seem less ridiculous. They were car wreck disfigurement fetishists!

No. But I don't believe there are time traveling robots either. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy a good Terminator movie or that it's a bad movie because that's unrealistic and preposterous.
I have less reason to say there aren't time traveling robots, than I do to say the sickness depicted in this movie is unrealistic. And you give the time traveling robot belief a shot in the arm, since you seem like one sent by David Cronenberg to preach on his behalf.


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Yes they were from a relatively small area, Like say a big city


A big city is not a small area. Millions of people can live in cities. And who says they're all from the same city? Only the main characters are confirmed to be from the same city.

Not to mention, again, who says they're all getting some sexual gratification from it? Some people just love watching car crashes. Youtube and Nascar prove that.

The term "car fetishist" seems a strategic choice, by you, to try to make them seem less ridiculous.


Not at all. It is strange and ridiculous. No denying that.

But you sort of missed the point. If you notice, the car is the foreplay, and the wreck is the big O. So in point of fact, they are car fetishists.

I have less reason to say there aren't time traveling robots, than I do to say the sickness depicted in this movie is unrealistic.


Not really. Both movies stick their own established rules and don't deviate. Thus, they are realistic in their own universes.

And you give the time traveling robot belief a shot in the arm, since you seem like one sent by David Cronenberg to preach on his behalf.


Well, that's just ridiculous. Why would I have to be a "time traveling" robot? Why not one from the present? Plus, he's got plenty of established professional critics who preach about his work. He doesn't need someone on IMDB.

That seems to be your problem. Your mind just wanders off into strange notions.

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A big city is not a small area.
It's a small area in the context of the whole world.

And who says they're all from the same city? Only the main characters are confirmed to be from the same city.
As far as I recall, there's no indication that they're an international group of car-wreck freaks. And since the main characters are local, it's fair to assume they're all from within the same limited area. There's no indication that there is any kind of car-wreck freak publication, with car-wreck freak event dates and invitations.

Not to mention, again, who says they're all getting some sexual gratification from it? Some people just love watching car crashes. Youtube and Nascar prove that.
C'mon, the movie is about car crash eroticism. It's silly to argue that they're not all experiencing the same thing. I'm sure Cronenberg's intention was for us to see all of them as experiencing the same sick twisted pleasure.

car fetishists.
This term sounds too broad and ordinary. It sounds like cars turn these freaks on which is not the case. The vehicle is just the means by which they can have a near death experience and possibly be disfigured and live. If we have to label them, I'd say they're near-death mutilation fetishists.

Why would I have to be a "time traveling" robot?
The robot aspect was my focus, or you could just be brainwashed. But I believe it's possible you're from Cronenberg's early days, sent here because he didn't know he'd have a devoted following of people that appreciate his sexual deviance.

You seem to have missed the point that I was being facetious. I don't actually consider you to possibly be a time-traveling robot. I do think you've been brainwashed though, to think overt and bizarre sexual themes is the work of genius.


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It's a small area in the context of the whole world.


So's New York. It's still full of all kinds of people and groups.

As far as I recall, there's no indication that they're an international group of car-wreck freaks. And since the main characters are local, it's fair to assume they're all from within the same limited area. There's no indication that there is any kind of car-wreck freak publication, with car-wreck freak event dates and invitations.


No indication they all live in the same area. And no, there's no publication. But there are telephones and people do talk to each other.

C'mon, the movie is about car crash eroticism. It's silly to argue that they're not all experiencing the same thing. I'm sure Cronenberg's intention was for us to see all of them as experiencing the same sick twisted pleasure.


The main characters are. We don't get to know the extras.

It sounds like cars turn these freaks on which is not the case.


Watch it again. Watch how enamored Vaughn is with the cars even before he crashes one.

You seem to have missed the point that I was being facetious.


No, I got it. It was just poorly done.

I do think you've been brainwashed though, to think overt and bizarre sexual themes is the work of genius.


Nope. Not the theme itself. Just how it's explored, filmed, told, and laid out for the audience.

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Do you actually believe it's fairly common to find people that are turned on by car wrecks and scarred-up, crippled human bodies?
No. The film doesn't show that such a fetish is "fairly common".
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There is and this is why I love this film.
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No. The film doesn't show that such a fetish is "fairly common".
It depicts a fair number, if memory serves, like maybe 30 people (give or take), just at one individual "event." That's fairly common to me.

One sick person would be almost believable.


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30 people amongst millions is not fairly common.

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30 people that lived through bad car wrecks and showed up at that event, makes it far more common than should be. Not all those millions experienced bad car wrecks.

It's obvious that you're blinded by the love you feel for David Cronenberg and cannot be reasoned with.


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It's obvious that you have no sense of proportion.

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