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Post if you love good food...


...And are fed up with the barbarity that most Americans seem to display when presented with the opportunity to try something magnificent and instead opt for mediocrity. You know,

- "Good" Italian food translates into a visit to the Olive Garden
- Raised eyebrows are the result of suggesting a visit to any sort of resturant that serves African or Middle Eastern cuisine
- Counter service Mexican means "Taco Bell" instead of looking for a taqueria
- Putting cheese on an Italian Beef sandwich
- Not knowing that broiled fish has the opportunity to be so much more tantalizing than anything deep-fried.

I'm sure many of you can share such experiences, just let me include one more. At my church, one brother who is East Indian cooked a dinner for the entire church. The menu included green and red curry, tandori chicken, nan bread, and samosas. He was busy cooking, so he didn't have time to explain to the mostly white crowd what everything was. I went first and loaded up my plate. The rest followed, but with a caution that I would compare to a mine sweeping team. I can't tell you how many people interrupted me while I was trying to eat with questions like "is this safe?" about what was on their plates. UGH! People, just try it, and if you don't like it, THEN DON'T EAT IT!
Not enough people know that happiness is warm pita bread and a bowl of Palastinian style hummus. I end with a quote from roger Ebert's review of this movie:

"Big Night is one of the great food movies, and yet it is so much more. It is about food not as a subject but as a language--the language by which one can speak to gods, can create, can seduce, can aspire to perfection."

AMEN!




Men, if you're willing to fight for our people, I want you!

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Whoa, did I step on your toes?

What I'm getting at is that there lots people who are afraid to try something different and possibly better than what they're used to on the baseless rationale that it is "different". Consider if the Founding fathers had rejected the Checks and Balances system of our government because it was different. And can I deduce by your obtuse response "tooot" that you are a Philistine?



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I care about the food rant.

I take great pleasure in truly exceptional meals. In this day and age they're harder and harder to come by. Sometimes I feel like inviting some elderly folks and immigrants to host a potluck. They're the ones with the real recipies. Not these pre-packaged, commercialized, mass produced piles of mush passing as food to our culture.

I find food to be sacred. It really is a language. A way you communicate emotion, intention, and even ambition. I realize that sounds absoultely ludicrous to someone who only finds food as substance with taste, but there is for me, and many people just like me. To us food is a haven, and an art form. It engages all the senses, and many times engages others in our joy and excitement for the thing that brings us all together. It creates memories and reminds us of times gone by. It sweeps us off to the far corners of the world, or it lures us back into grandma's kitchen. It hosts the laughter of friends sitting around you. And even at funerals, the dishes that our departed once served us can serve us as a reminder of what they've still left behind for us to cherish.

I'm sorry that your being American has disallowed you to care for this person's joy of food. I too am an American. And I am very proud to be so. Living in a country that was founded by people from many lands is something I hold dear. And being able to enjoy the meals that they enjoyed can be a way of connecting with and appreciating all that they're layed down for following generations.

I don't believe you have to be one certain nationality to appreciate great food. You just have to have the stomach and the heart to get out there and try new things. And maybe not take things so seriously. Life is a feast. So get out there and join in.

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Marry me. :)

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"Nope, i'm American" in response to being called a Philistine, is poetic. May I suggest you look up the word.

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Scotsman, I do (and I am an American - surprise, surprise!). I am guessing that the aversion to trying anything new, different or otherwise exotic may have something to do, in part, with whether or not one has travelled. I am fairly well travelled (14 countries, 44 US states) and try to eat the local cuisine wherever I go. It's a leap of faith sometimes, eating "mystery meat" (which I've done in Turkey, Mexico, Singapore, and Chile), but I believe it has opened my senses to trying new spices and techniques in my own cooking that I otherwise would not have tried. That being said, I do not care for Indian food....I've tried but just cannot seem enjoy the combinations of spices (does that make me a philistine? I hope not). I am passionate about food though...I love to see it, cook it, smell it, read about it, and taste it. If you are a reader at all, I'd suggest :"The Man Who Ate Everything" by Jeffrey Steingarten. That man has my dream job - travelling food taster! Here is a tidbit: http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/steingarten-everything.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Your list of culinary atrocities brings to mind something that happened to me a while back. I've lived in the Deep South of the US for the past 14 years. On a trip home to California, I met a friend for lunch at a small cafe in the mountains. I ordered chicken fried steak, and what looked like an omelette was delivered to my table. I expressed my confusion to the waitress, who stated "that's how we make chicken fried steak here - dip the cube steak in beaten eggs".....It was horrendous. As I was paying at the register, the owner asked how my meal was, and I told him "well, that's the most unusual chicken fried steak I've ever had.....". He said "I keep telling people that's how it was originally made! The reason why they call it that is because it's dipped in egg!". I didn't waste my time setting him straight till I got back to Atlanta. As I said I've lived in the south for 14 years - I've had 85 year old Southern ladies cook chicken fried steak for me and that is NOT how they prepared it. Pain in the ass that I am, I downloaded a recipe for REAL chicken fried steak off of Southernliving.com, including the history of the dish, and mailed it to the restaurant in CA, with the note "Chicken fried steak never has been, nor never SHOULD be, prepared such as you prepare yours. Signed, A Visitor from Georgia."

I don't know if he paid attention or not but I felt better!

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I care about the food rant, too, and can't WAIT to see this movie. I agree about the tendency of folks these days to be xenophobes when it comes to food - they don't know what they're missing! I just added it to the top of my Netflix queue.

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Well, I'm with you in most of what you say, but "Putting cheese on an Italian Beef sandwich" is not a culinary crime in my book. Overcooked, grey, greasy, soggy strips of beef on a limp bun, that's the crime! The cheese can do no further damage.

I lived in Chicago for six years and loved it, but I never understood what people saw in the Italian Beef.

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Hey everyone, thanks so much for your support. Just to clear something up, I'm only Scots by ancestry. I've lived my whole life in Chicago, although I've gotten back to the "Olde Country" a few times. Just for fun, please list something that you like that you would determine as "exotic" if you feel inclined to. I'll start:

-Ostrich Burger with horseradich spread (Had it at a Whole Foods cafe)
-Profiteroles (Actually quite basic, but only if you know what it is)
-Chipotle Mashed Potatoes

Also a reply to Bitbyadeadbee about Italian Beef. It depends on where you get as to how memorable it is. I've found no substitute for Al's #1 on Taylor Street. One thing I've never worked up the courage to try is calamari. Anyone want to give me an opinion?



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happiscotsman: I can tell you that the best calamari is a calamari steak, usually cooked in butter and garlic. If fresh and cooked right, it is tender and tasty. Calamari rings are usually tougher, a little like eating rubberbands in my experience.

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Hmm, exotic foods...

I have tried Ostrich Medallions, and I have to say I find them fantastic. I've also tried Kangaroo, which I liked, though I find Ostrich has a better flavor. Some people I know think Alligator Tail is exotic, and I love that. While I wouldn't exactly consider escargot exotic, it is slightly unusual to many, so I'll add it to the list...

I've had calamari, and I love it. You can't be bothered by the texture, though. Rely solely on the flavor and you'll have no choice but to like it.

I'm willing to try anything. Doesn't matter what it looks like, or if it's unfamiliar, I'll try it at least once. I've always thought you can't judge something until you've tried it at least once. I get quite a few strange looks from people when I tell them I've tried all these things. Of course, being sixteen might have something to do with it. I can only imagine all the other delicious foods I'll try as the years go by.

Another problem isn't just the foods themselves, but the preparations. You could take an ordinary fish fillet and prepare it in a less than ordinary manner, and ignorant people won't want to try it.

With good food, as with most aspects of life, you have to go into it with an open mind, and you'll come out of it with a great reward.

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I remember when squid cost 39 cents a pound and I cooked it up at least once a week. Then it got renamed calamari and the price jumped first to $1.29 a pound and never looked back.

Calamari is like a mild clam flavor. When properly prepared is has a creamy texture that almost melts in your mouth.
There is a little trick to cooking it. Calamari needs to be cooked either very fast or for a very long time. Deep fried calamari rings is an example of fast and slow cooked calamari in tomato sauce is an example of long time technique.

At any rate if you like clams you'll like calimari

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Funny you should mention the Olive Garden. A number of my friends are Italian, and they "tolerate" the Olive Garden when some of their American friends want to go there. Otherwise, surprisingly enough, they prefer Fazoli's! Of course, Fazoli's is nothing like Primo's fare, but I find it interesting that the Italians I know would choose Fazoli's over Olive Garden, and I would agree with them.

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This is one of my all time favorite films, and I just re-watched it tonite. I was curious to see what others' response to it is.

Big Night, Babette's Feast, Chocolat, and Like Water For Chocolate are my favorite Foodie films of all.
Eat, Drink, Man, Woman is also pretty good. I didn't care much for Tampopo, though. The first four films are de rigeur for anyone who loves food: you get Italian, French, Dessert, and Mexican (the scene in Like Water when she makes the quail with rose petals is to die!)

The prevalent theme of all of the best food films is how the creation and enjoyment of the feast is representative and indicative of one's joie de vivre; or, Food as the Soul of Life.
This philosophy works for me!

My favorite cuisines tend to the more subtle, as I find it physically painful to eat hot spices (ie. curry, chili and other peppers, and the like) Consequently, I don't enjoy much standardized Indian, Mexican, Ethiopian, or similar, to my great frustration.
However, I adore French (country and nouvelle), Italian, much of Europe, Japanese (LOVE the Wasabi!), many other Asian foods (dim sum, YUM) ... just so long as it is authentic and not the Americanized crap version.

Someone asked about calamari: I have had squid in many forms: Italian calamari, Vietnamese stir-fry, Japanese sashimi. Like any fish, it must be fresh, and not over-cooked. You can tell if it's overcooked by the feeling that you are chewing on tough rubber bands. Done well, Squid is delicate and just slightly sweet.

I also love seafood and game; I much prefer the dark fowl meat to the insipid, uninspired white chicken breast. Probably the most exotic game I've had is rabbit. Hard to describe... delicate yet very flavorful. 'Course simple is good too: oven-warmed brie slathered on Warm French bread, topped with red seedless grapes is heaven. Don't forget the wine....

Enough... I'm making myself hungry! It is also good to be friends with one's bicycle....

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I always thought that calamari was octopus, not squid???

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I was on a press junket to the Caribbean one year, and in our group was Chelsea Cooley, the Miss USA for that year. At our first restaurant meal, I ordered escargot as an appetizer. None of the other folks in the group had ever had it, and they didn't mind teasing me about eating snails. But they shut up when I suggested they try it--all but Chelsea. She was the only one who was game, and liked it so much she ordered a plate of her own. A lot of class, that girl. She'll go far.

To eat good food, regardless of its origin, is to be close to God. Some of the greatest meals I have ever had in my life are at Mom-and-Pop cafes in Third World countries. Think of Primo describing lasagna to Ann the Flower Lady.

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I don't think being leery of "strange food" is an American thing -- the funniest scene in Babette's Feast, for me, was the two sisters and all their guests, accustomed to their bland native fare, poking suspiciously at the rich, flavorful French food Babette was serving them, not sure if it was proper to eat something like this! Until, of course, they took a bite, just to be polite.

I do think lack of exposure to different cultures, whether you go to them in travel or they come to you as immigrants, has a lot to do with making some people hidebound about what they eat. Even living in So. Cal. I didn't taste Phillipine cooking until my 20s when I had Phillipina co-workers who would bring the most delicious things to the company pot lucks. I've been a fan ever since and that experience did help me to branch out in the types of food I'd try.

I'm sorry to say that my experimenting led me to find that I don't like Greek cooking -- I always assumed I would, and finding out otherwise was a huge disappointment and made me wonder if something was wrong with my taste buds.

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bookscatsetc--Greek food done right is very simple and fresh, and sorta next door to simple non-red-sauce Italian cooking. How many Greek restaurants have you tried? If you're anywhere near NYC, Pylos on East 7th St in Manhattan might change your mind.

--sphynx (also a lover of food, books, and cats)

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