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This show obviously exists in.....


it's own personal self-contained Universe where the rules of The Real World don't apply. Nobody on this show talks or behaves like a normal sane human being. And I'm not just talking about Ray, either. Every single character on this show is crazy and insane in their own way. And they are people I would NEVER want to associate with, here in The Real World. There's no doubt about that. And all those things that *supposedly* happened to the writers, directors and producers in the aforementioned Real World that "inspired" them to write all these stories? Nope. Uh-uh. I'm calling bulls***. It's all completely impossible. People dont behave this way in TRW. People like Phil Rosenthal and all the people who worked for him on this show all these years? They obviously made everything up. It was all a complete work of fiction. Because I refuse to believe that the things that happened to these fictional characters actually happened to Real Life people. NOTHING that ever happened on this show EVER happened to me or anyone I know. And it isn't just because I was an only child and adopted, either. And I'm sick of being thought of as a crazy person only because I have posted frequently here for the last two years or so on this subject and made to feel like a moron because I was merely expressing my opinions. I won't have that. And I won't put up with it anymore. If any of you don't like what I have to say, just block me. It's that simple. Because I've blocked enough of you while I've been here. You have to, in order to keep your sanity intact, know what I mean? And I dont give second chances, either. Once you're on my block list, you're STAYIN' there, and you ain't NEVER gettin' off of it! Life is too short, know what I'm saying?

That's all I got.

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And all those things that *supposedly* happened to the writers, directors and producers in the aforementioned Real World that "inspired" them to write all these stories? Nope. Uh-uh. I'm calling bulls***. It's all completely impossible. People dont behave this way in TRW.


Events based off real life ≠ Events that occurred in real life.

The characters are intentionally exaggerated for comedic effect. If you have a problem with it on this show, then you obviously haven't seen many sitcoms (based on your posts, I can guarantee you that Seinfeld would enrage you much more than this show ever has).

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I have a bit more to say about this. Depending on who writes the episode, it will usually be a pretty good indicator of what it will be about. Jeniffer Crittenden for example. She was one of the head writers on Seinfeld and did a good job there for the most part, seeing as how that show OBVIOUSLY took place in a COMPLETELY different Universe than The Real World. Hell, you would have had to have been blind not to see that. All one had to do was to completely suspend disbelief and you'd be OK. But during Crittenden's stint on writing of ELR, I noticed that her episodes were the ones that were primarily anti-men and pro-women. And that troubled me. She had clearly become "one of them" in the meantime. A feminist/social justice warrior, if you will. You know, the kind of annoying obnoxious bitch that is always screaming about sexism and the "patriarchy" and for men to "stop oppressing women" so much all the time. And I dont know why she felt the need to mutate into one of those abominations, to be prefectly honest.

The other kind of eps I really hated were the ones written by Ray Romano or Phil Rosenthal, or both. Like "Bad Moon Rising" for example. The one episode of the entire series that did not have a funny or upbeat ending. And it was quite anti-woman too, I must say. I dont condone ANY episode of a sitcom where the themes are either anti-women OR anti-men. That's all there is to it. And the one ep written solely by Rosenthal that I thoroughly detest is "Separation". If Phil wanted to portray Ray as a complete insensitive uncaring rat bastard who had no sympathy for his wife's upsetting situation, well, he did exactly that in that POS ep. And the ending was really stupid as well. I honestly can't believe Phil didn't write in for Debra to slap Ray across the face in both the bedroom and kitchen scenes where he was being a real @$$hole to her. He obviously didnt care about her feelings, he actually found it funny. And THAT would have been the right time for Debra to knee Ray in the balls, as opposed to when it happened in "Jealous Robert". It would have been so much more appropriate for her to have done that when he laughed at her and made all those stupid jokes at her and her parents' expense. At least that's how I would have written it.

Did I mention that the Finale had TEN writers? And I didnt like that, either. Apparently these people have never heard of the expression "Too many cooks spoil the broth", huh? Idiots. And once again, Ray was being a complete whiny little bitch and once again he overreacted and made a big damn deal over nothing. Quintessential Ray, no doubt about it. And he made a period joke at Debra's expense, too. What an @$$hole. And the finale was a half-hour, as opposed to the hour that nearly every single other sitcom has had for the length of their finales. That was done in an attempt to not "jump the shark" is what I read somewhere. SO ELR thought they never had a JTS moment, huh? Hah. I'll leave it up to all of you to decide for yourselves when it was......

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[Seinfeld] OBVIOUSLY took place in a COMPLETELY different Universe than The Real World. Hell, you would have had to have been blind not to see that. All one had to do was to completely suspend disbelief and you'd be OK.


And how is it not made any clearer that Everybody Loves Raymond takes place in a different universe as well? Or literally any other sitcom, for that matter?

[rambling on about Jennifer Crittenden supposedly writing sexist scripts]


Now you're just reading way too much into the show. This is a situational comedy. The goals of the scripts are to make us laugh, not to send out a message. If you think that these characters are supposed to be role models, then you completely missed the point of the entire show.

Oh, and I just looked at which episodes Jennifer Crittenden wrote. The only ones that came across as sexist in any way were "Alone Time" (and that's pushing it), "Meant to Be," "What Good Are You?," and "Let's Fix Robert." I haven't seen the first and last episodes in a long time, but in "Meant to Be," Robert did a horrible thing to Amy that warranted the break-up, while in "What Good Are You?," it was made abundantly clear that any man besides Raymond would have saved Debra from choking.

Like "Bad Moon Rising" for example. The one episode of the entire series that did not have a funny or upbeat ending.


The one episode? "Robert's Divorce" (incidentally, an episode co-written by Crittenden) and "The Home" come to mind as episodes that didn't have a funny or upbeat ending, and I'm sure there are others.

[rambling on about scripts written by Rosenthal or Romano]


Again, you're reading way too much into the show. And once again, I looked at the episodes that each of them wrote, and very few of them came across as sexist in any way.

Did I mention that the Finale had TEN writers? And I didnt like that, either. Apparently these people have never heard of the expression "Too many cooks spoil the broth", huh? Idiots.


WOW, this has to be your weakest argument yet. If a SINGLE episode has contributions by the entire writing staff, all of them apparently don't know the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth," this in spite of the fact that the other 209 episodes only had one to four writers. So does that mean that the writers on Frasier also didn't know the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth" because TWO of the 264 episodes on that show featured contributions by the entire writing staff?

And the finale was a half-hour, as opposed to the hour that nearly every single other sitcom has had for the length of their finales. That was done in an attempt to not "jump the shark" is what I read somewhere.


And what's so bad about that? Every other sitcom from that time period insisted on having a grandiose finale, and Everybody Loves Raymond took a different approach by having a subtle one. I find that quite laudable.

SO ELR thought they never had a JTS moment, huh? Hah. I'll leave it up to all of you to decide for yourselves when it was......


...I got nothing. The only argument I could see anyone making for this is the introduction of Amy's family, and if you're able to view them as the exaggerated characters they're supposed to be (just like everyone else on the show), then they're not bothersome at all.

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Try to sit back and enjoy the show without nitpicking.

<“Every man of courage is a man of his word.” - Pierre Corneille>

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This show is a SPOOF or a farce of REAL LIFE... It takes real life situations and exaggerates them.

Sorta like the National Lampoons Christmas Vacation movie, it was farcing and exaggerating REAL LIFE holliday get-togethers, even though, probably one that outrageous likely never happened.

Really most all TV shows do this. Our real lives are usually not dedicated to ONE single plot for a few days.

In real life ppl also do not talk the way the do on TV shows... in real life ppl interlap, interrupt, talk a mile a minute, change topics in mid sentence, everyone talks at once, ppl talk over each other, etc... in real life, when you're in a group, it's rare to be able to finish a complete thought without being interrupted and/or talked over by someone else. But on TV, ever character has "their moment" to complete their thought while everyone else stays quiet until they are finished.

But then again it's a HUGE world with 7 billion ppl! Just b/c you've never experienced these things doesn't mean NO ONE has. You could not meet every single person on earth in an average lifetime, so just b/c you nor anyone you know has a life like these characters, you can't say it would NEVER happen.


I'm just glad this was not another one of those threads about, "A woman like Debra would never be with a man like Ray!" Which is also BS b/c I've seen it happen.

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I'm glad you see that it's an exaggeration. So many people don't. I once heard Ray say in an interview that his real life wife complained how he doesn't talk to her like he does on his show. He reminded her that on the show his words were written by writers. I found the comment funny. I don't know if she wanted him to talk like he does on the show or just talk more.

<“Every man of courage is a man of his word.” - Pierre Corneille>

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YES! I don't really see the difference in this and most any other TV show.

If ELR were REAL LIFE, it'd be like, ~Ray comes in the door and Deb is doing something in the kitchen, they glance at each other. Ray: Hey!, Deb: Hey! Watch'you up to? Ray: Not much. Deb: ~mumbles something about what she's doin in the kitchen~ Ray: Huh? Deb:Just talking to myself. Ray: Ah..

~Ray sits down watches TV for about 30 mins before then rummaging through the fridge~....

Then Deb and Ray would go back and forth with just silly idle chit chat like, "Yeah, oh, OIC, really the bank was closed? The store was out of those ice cream bars, or push pops, or whatever they are called, etc..."


Yeah seeing real life played out on tv would be kinda boring

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Actually, I think this show's greatest strength was making everyday life and mundane objects hilariously funny. Some of the best episodes that involve every day objects/ situations in real life: The Toaster, Baggage, Tissues, The Canister, The Can Opener, Humm-Vac, Wallpaper and The Checkbook.

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I'm starting to think you're a troll.

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