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Marie's most annoying moments

posted 8 years ago by EarthPrincess82
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I noticed that there are posts of Ray and Debra's Most annoying moments but Marie had her moments too. Let's take a look!

-The Ride-Along: Robert took Ray on a citizen's ride-along and stops a robbery while out. Marie attacks Robert for "letting her golden boy, Ray" be there.

-The Sneeze: Ray becomes sick after being sneezed on and Marie barges in and tries to baby the hell out of him.

-Marie's Meatballs: Marie deliberately sabotages Debra's attempt to make meatballs.

-Good Girls: Marie shunned Debra and was kissing Amy ass just because she was a virgin when all the while, she was already pregnant when she and Frank got married.

-Thank You Notes: Robert and Amy just came back from their honeymoon and Marie starts pestering this poor girl about some DAMN thank you notes just so her stupid friends Lee and Stan would get theirs.

-The Letter: Marie just barges in on Debra's Tupperware party and pretty much spoils everything. And then has the nerve to play the victim when Debra calls her out.

-Mothers Day(she really irked me the most here): As usual, Marie just barges in with her stupid friends while Debra is trying to get the kids upstairs and Marie just insist that Geoffrey tell his knock-knock joke right then and there. She ignores Debra's calm attempts to tell her that it's not a good time and Debra snaps and yells at Marie(which serves her just right). She then acts as if she did absolutely NOTHING WRONG and tried to put the blame on Debra.

[–] NobodymournstheWicked 8 years ago

-Thank You Notes: Robert and Amy just came back from their honeymoon and Marie starts pestering this poor girl about some DAMN thank you notes just so her stupid friends Lee and Stan would get theirs.

What did Lee and Stan being friends with Marie and even Frank do to really make you mad and call them stupid? Isn't it supposed to be polite to thank a person for a gift that they gave you, even if you didn't like it?

[–] EarthPrincess82 8 years ago

Wow! That's the only thing you got from my post? Interesting!

Isn't it supposed to be polite to thank a person for a gift that they gave you, even if you didn't like it?

I did say that she shouldn't thank you them at all! I was simply trying to point out the fact that Marie seems to think that EVERYTHING needs to be done when and how she thinks it should be done. She didn't want her to send thank you notes because it's the polite thing to do, she just wanted put on a front for her friends.

[–] NobodymournstheWicked 8 years ago

Wow! That's the only thing you got from my post? Interesting!

Well I can get more out of it, but I am just pointing out a fact, I mean if you can gave somebody a gift, wouldn't you want to be thanked in less you are a grinch or Scrooge. Marie's meatballs that can be another one with trying too make sure that Debra would be as good as making meatballs even ny leaving out something out

[–] SkiesAreBlue 8 years ago

In an earlier post of mine, I pointed out that every time Debra tries to have a party or company around Marie et all come barging in. Then Marie is upset because she wasn't invited.

The one on Thank You Notes, was Marie at her most evil, I thought. The reason she pestered Amy to write to them was because, Marie had picked out the present for Lee and Stan to give to Amy and Robert. If you watch the last frame of that episode it all comes clear.

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[–] leedeelee 8 years ago

Maybe it's because I had the mother-in-law from hell, and like most people, Marie has her faults, but I don't think these situations were as bad as all that.

In the Ride-A-Long, Marie showed her protectiveness towards her son. Robert was a cop so she knew he was used to those situations and how to handle them, but she knows Ray is soft and was not up to defending himself in a dangerous situation, so it understandably freaked her out that he could have been hurt or killed.

The Sneeze showed Marie's nurturing side; this was only annoying to Debra who didn't care if he truly was sick or not. Notice how all of Ray's friends were suddenly feeling sick? They were envious of the motherly love and attention.

Marie's Meatballs showed Marie's human-ness. She was afraid that if someone cooked as well as she did, she may be less appreciated, loved, wanted or may even be replaced. (To an Italian mother food is love!)

In Good Girls, Marie showed her values as a mother with old-fashioned values. Even mothers who aren't "old school" want the perfect (virginal-untouched by others) wife for their son (as unrealistic as that might be).

In Thank You Notes, Marie wasn't rude to Amy, she just asked when the notes would be sent, because as a mother, she is concerned with the family reputation and how things look to others. And yes, it is the right and courteous thing to do. Amy answered her very rudely and disrespectfully; one of the few times that Amy was actually rude to anyone.

In Mother's Day, Marie may have put Debra on the spot at an inopportune moment when she was stressed, but again, Marie wasn't rude or snappy about it; she just made a simple (albeit untimely) request. She could have just said "I'm sorry, it's not a good time" rather than being snappy and rude and appearing disrespectful to Marie in front of her friends.

All of the characters' personalities (in all sitcoms) are exaggerated, and ELR is no exception, that's what makes them funny!

[–] EarthPrincess82 8 years ago

In the Ride-A-Long, Marie showed her protectiveness towards her son. Robert was a cop so she knew he was used to those situations and how to handle them, but she knows Ray is soft and was not up to defending himself in a dangerous situation, so it understandably freaked her out that he could have been hurt or killed.

That's exactly the problem! She MADE Ray the way he was by babying him constantly.

The Sneeze showed Marie's nurturing side; this was only annoying to Debra who didn't care if he truly was sick or not. Notice how all of Ray's friends were suddenly feeling sick? They were envious of the motherly love and attention.

Again, that was exactly the problem! Debra wanted Ray to grow some balls and stop acting like he's 2 years old. And FYI, his only wanted the homemade soup not motherly attention.

Marie's Meatballs showed Marie's human-ness. She was afraid that if someone cooked as well as she did, she may be less appreciated, loved, wanted or may even be replaced. (To an Italian mother food is love!)

Hm! Sounds like insecurities to me!

In Good Girls, Marie showed her values as a mother with old-fashioned values. Even mothers who aren't "old school" want the perfect (virginal-untouched by others) wife for their son (as unrealistic as that might be).

I don't care! That's still NO reason to treat Debra the way that she does.

In Thank You Notes, Marie wasn't rude to Amy, she just asked when the notes would be sent, because as a mother, she is concerned with the family reputation and how things look to others. And yes, it is the right and courteous thing to do. Amy answered her very rudely and disrespectfully; one of the few times that Amy was actually rude to anyone.

Oh please! And Marie was being quite pushy over something that really didn't concern her. It was Lee and Stan's gift, not hers. Amy was not at all rude. Marie should've just left it alone after the first round.

In Mother's Day, Marie may have put Debra on the spot at an inopportune moment when she was stressed, but again, Marie wasn't rude or snappy about it; she just made a simple (albeit untimely) request. She could have just said "I'm sorry, it's not a good time" rather than being snappy and rude and appearing disrespectful to Marie in front of her friends.

Um, did you not watch the episode?! Debra told her that it wasn't a good time in the very beginning and Marie just disregards it and insists that her friends hear this joke. So she deserved everything she got in this episode because she wasn't be respectful towards Debra either.

All of the characters' personalities (in all sitcoms) are exaggerated, and ELR is no exception, that's what makes them funny!

That may be but most of Marie's behavior was just obnoxious most of the time, not funny.

[–] leedeelee 8 years ago

I respectfully disagree. She didn't "make" either one a cop or not a cop who were both trained and not trained to deal with that situation...she would have been protective of either of her sons no matter what...

Debra thought he needed "growing balls" because he's disgusted by other people's germs?? WTF? You like strangers sneezing on you?? We all want attention when we're feeling sick, whether we're really sick or not...

And "Ummm, I watched the episode." Debra did NOT have to be rude and disrespectful to address the stressful situation. It makes more impact on someone being ignorant to the situation to remain calm and not give them a reason to blame it on them.

Amy said "And I have to say! I don't care about this right now!" Yes, that was rude. Marie was not.

Marie was who she was! People are human, not perfect! But she was never disrespectful, no matter how imposing she may have been in asking a simple question. Ignorant (look up the definition)-yes! Obnoxious...not! You need to have a real mother-in-law from hell!

[–] Wildstyle26 8 years ago

Debra told Marie it wasn't a good time. She says "No knock knock jokes now, we're heading upstairs." And Marie was ignoring her and trying to tell Geoffrey to tell his joke. Finally, Debra snapped and told her bluntly that they were not telling jokes, they're going upstairs for baths.

Marie has eyes. She could see it was not a good time when Debra is wrestling with screaming kids. It's rude for her to just walk into a house that isn't her's, bringing along friends, then not having the sense to know she came at a bad time.

Frank even had to stand up for Debra.

Frank "Who the Hell is Marie to come barging in, demanding joy, when Debra's wrestling with the damn kids?!"
Ray "She didn't have to be so rude!"
Frank "Rude is the only thing that gets through to her! How do you think I got the way I am?! I used to be a gentleman!"

Marie is not someone you can politely say no to. She has to keep pushing until you just shut her down. Then she'll get an attitude because you stood up to her.

Amy was very patient with her, and Marie kept pushing. So Amy just plainly told her she didn't care about it at that moment -which was fair, when they just got back from their honeymoon.

Marie was being overbearing at Amy's shower. She finally snapped and told Marie that she didn't need her. Marie gets pouty and leaves.

I don't think Debra, Frank or Amy are wrong to be fed up with someone who always has to get their own way. Even Lois comments that Marie shouldn't be upset about not getting her way, for once.

If someone politely tells you no, or that it's not a good time, and you ignore them, then they are within rights to get fed up with you.

Marie was close to being a narcissist. Everything was about her, or how it made her feel. She thinks about her own feelings before anyone else's. In the DVD commentary, Phil Rosenthall stated that Marie was the villain / dictator of the show by the end.

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[–] leedeelee 8 years ago

You can easily shut someone down without being rude or disrespectful..EASILLY, there's no excuse for being rude--NONE.

[–] leedeelee 8 years ago

It's all about being able to verbalize honestly and not bitchily..

[–] Wildstyle26 8 years ago

Well what is Marie's excuse for being rude? So yeah. Frank, as he said, has been living with Marie for 40 years. So he'd know. Marie is someone you have to get short with. She won't take a kind rebuff.

Marie was rude when she decided to just barge into someone else's house w/o calling first, or knocking, then not leaving when she could see everything was hectic.

Marie brought that embarrassment onto herself when Debra tells her that no jokes were going to be told, they were going upstairs.

And even if Debra was rude, Marie had some coming given all the times she's insulted Debra and put her down.

You can get a point across to some people easily. But others, like Marie won't listen to you when you try to be polite. They'll ignore you -taking kindness for weakness, and keep doing whatever it is they're doing, until you have finally had enough and snap. Everyone has a boiling point, but some people push everyone until it's reached.
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[–] leedeelee 8 years ago

Yes, you can, YOU CAN. Think about it!

[–] Wildstyle26 8 years ago

Not with everyone, you can. People are different. You can not treat everyone the same way -because everyone is not the same person.

It's like disciplining children.
Some you can straighten out with a stern lecture.
Some children only respond to spanking.
Some you may have to yell at.
Some you may have to take privileges from -no phone, computer, music, etc.

Marie is someone you have to get sharp with to get a point across, because otherwise, she won't listen to you. She'll keep right at something, as if she hasn't heard you.
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[–] leedeelee 8 years ago

To each his own, I suppose. Personally, I would choose my battles with Marie living across the street, and to flip out over a simple knock-knock joke just isn't worth it. I'm more like Amy, I would have had him tell the joke- both to break the tension of wrestling with the kids and to keep the peace with Marie.😇

[–] MydnightRose 8 years ago

You are a Marie apologist. Marie is a spoiled brat and she is manipulative towards everyone in her family. And Debra and Amy we're justified when they went off on her. I wouldn't even consider Amy going off, she tried to tell Marie politely that thank you notes weren't her concern right now but Marie wants everyone to do what she wants when she wants. If more people demanded Marie act like an adult rather than a spoiled 5yr old their lives would be better.

As to her most annoying moments, also every episode of every season ahe was a nightmare.

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[–] leedeelee 8 years ago

Since I don't criticize anyone's opinion, I'd like the same respect. In MY opinion, Marie was NOT that bad.

[–] Candyhearts27 8 years ago

For me, these are Marie's most annoying episodes. In no order, BTW

Robert's Wedding: Not exactly the right time to question if Robert is marrying Amy because he loves her or because he felt forced to. She had weeks before the wedding to talk to him about it

Marie's Meatballs: While I can understand her being afraid of being replaced, it was still wrong of her to sabotage the recipe

Marie's Vision: When she told Frank they had a loveless marriage

Thank You Notes: Robert and Amy just got back from their honeymoon. Give them some time to relax a little, sheesh!

Golf For It: The way she guilt trips both Ray and Robert

Jealous Robert: She and Debra were both equally evil in this one. They had no right to interfere in Robert and Amy's lives like that

Older Women: Getting upset with Frank when he didn't even do anything this time

The Toaster: Not only the fact that she traded it in, but she didn't even seem to care how hurt Ray was over it. "We're the ones who have to get these presents."

Not So Fast: Her attitude when she and Frank came back

Angry Sex: How she says she's going to get the twins haircuts. That's not up to her

Plenty others

[–] SkiesAreBlue 8 years ago

Marie is always telling Debra that she has lost control of her children but it's Marie's fault when she adds fuel to the fire. How many times has Marie steared the conversation away from the others if she feels it's not going her way, by offering the kids lolly pops and usually right before dinner. Debra has the patience of Jobe with Marie always butting in and over riding her child rearing, house cleaning. I don't know how your Mother In Law was leedeelee but did you manage to stop her with a polite message and did she take it? You can be rude or you can be sharp with someone, I think Debra was sharp with Marie and who could blame her.

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[–] andrereichenbacher 8 years ago

Dont forget what Marie put Debra through in The Shower, both at the beginning and at the end. I hate that episode. Because of the unfortunate circumstances Debra suffered, Marie had her over a barrel and that made me legitimately angry. And like always, Ray supported Marie's actions and never once tried to understand Debra's situation. He wasn't at the shower so he didnt know what Marie said and did to make Debra so upset. It wouldn't have made a difference anyway, as he is such a pathetic mama's boy that he will always kiss up to Marie and try to make her happy - as all the males in that family are scared to death of her. That was confirmed in this series more than once!

[–] couthlessgal 8 years ago

This a agree with wholeheartedly!!!!!

[–] ExtrodinaryGirl 8 years ago

When Debra asks if they can spend Christmas Eve with her parents and Christmas Day with Marie and Marie says Debra is ruining Christmas because God forbid she want to she her own family and the kids other grandparents on Christmas? Or how pouty and upset she got that Debra's parents were going to be in the family portrait because apparently her family is the only one that matters.

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[–] blackcatdemonbiker 8 years ago

I thought Marie is a sociopath. She thinks only for herself and takes kindness for weakness.
The episode that pissed me off with Marie was the episode Marie constantly insults Debra on Thanksgiving. Debra tries her damndest to be nice but it backfires. Debra tries to get everyone else to agree but no one says or does anything about it. I forget the episode name, but that that's the episode that made me hate Marie [and the family] the most.

[–] SkiesAreBlue 8 years ago

The episode that pissed me off the most and saw Marie as the Evil Cow that she was, "Thank You Notes".

SkiesAreBlue

[–] blackcatdemonbiker 8 years ago

Another is when Debra said something to Frank about her seeing him legitamely happy, and after Frank went outside Marie took offense and made Debra out to be a snob and thinking Deb was better than them.
I forget that episodes name too. It was after Robert and Amy get married.

[–] ERThree 8 years ago

That's "Snow Day" from Season 6, which was actually before Robert and Amy were married.

[–] blackcatdemonbiker 8 years ago

Thanks for clearing that up.

[–] Balboasaurus 8 years ago

"Thank You Notes", "The Shower", and Mother's Day" show Marie at her most diabolical and manipulative. What's worse is that that her actions are caused and endorsed by Raymond. It's no wonder that Debra is the way she is towards Raymond; it's her only way of fighting back.

[–] BulletHeadedSaxonMothersSon 8 years ago

...are the entire episodes "No Thanks," "Thank You Notes," and "The Shower." If you're not convinced Marie is an out-and-out sociopath after watching those episodes then you might want to check yourself into a mental hospital. She is NOT an overbearing mother and mother-in-law; she's Evil Incarnate.