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Funny how nobody realizes Satan is just doing God's will at all times...


I mean, in the original Job book from the Hebrew bible, "the satan" (meaning accuser/adversary) is clearly part of God's court, not some actual enemy of God.

While Christianity's decision to turn this accuser into God's rival (100% absurd, but then again whomever came up with the Trinity concept should be recognized for turning God into a schizo) is fun on film, think about it for a second. Angels enforce God's will, and they sure cannot disobey him or act against his wishes, hence how can they possibly rebel or fight God? Or hurt any of us UNLESS God himself commands them to? Like with Job, remember it was God who told the satan to hurt Job, not the other way around.

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I love at the end when the priest says he has his "faith". It was pretty conclusively proven to you that the whole bible thing was true. What is left to faith?

Christians (probably other religions are equally guilty of similar) use the word faith when their belief is unknown or irrational. But then they switch the meaning to "trust" when it's convenient. By using the two definitions interchangeably they can say "if god gave you proof, you wouldn't need faith", and then in the next instance "I have faith in god that he has a good plan, even if it does involve genital mutilation, random disasters and child abuse".

I think they used both definitions in the last minute of this movie. To the point that it sounded deep, but was really just weird thinking and poor reasoning.

All that said, the mythology can be fun for stories. They did a decent job and I understand why they needed to tack on that deepity at the end.

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"I love at the end when the priest says he has his "faith". It was pretty conclusively proven to you that the whole bible thing was true. What is left to faith?"

Faith that God loves us despite all evidence to the contrary? Or maybe in such a way too incomprehensible ("mysterious") for us to understand (since we don't see the big picture and perhaps are NOT the center of the creation and thus God has bigger fishes to fry unseen to us), thus making such love in practice well, meaningless? Job can attest to that.

"the word faith when their belief is unknown or irrational."

Only Muslims and Protestants. The Catholics have always had a very well defined concept of faith predicated on past proof. As in for example: you trust your parents because you KNOW they mean well, hence you don't ask them to prove themselves again and again.

Following the Testaments narrative (assuming they were true), before Jesus started making divinity claims and whatnot, he proved himself first by performing miracles again and again so as to earn the faith that his latter comments and statements would require.

Even then after resurrecting he did not reprimand/lecture the disciple who stated that unless he actually put his fingers and hands in Jesus' open wounds, he would not believe. In fact Jesus indulged him, and only sang the praises for those who believed without seeing.

So if the J man himself won't smoke a doubter and in fact will grant his request, what does that say about people who, without being divine, demand blind faith (as if they were infallible)?

"To the point that it sounded deep, but was really just weird thinking and poor reasoning. "

But yes, the concept of faith here in the movie is absurd, in fact I always fats forward that moment, it simply ruins everything.

But again: any and all demons are simply doing God's will, so the ultimate cause of evil in this world is, God.

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Funny how grown ups still believe in fairy tales...

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"What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Well if the perpetual turmoil in the Middle East doesn't give you a clue as to how (dangerously) seriously these fairy tales are taken (who was given the land by God at who's expense), you are naive.

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There are people who take their abduction by aliens experiences very seriously. Doesn't make those experiences or stories true and certainly not by default.

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion" - Jaime Lannister

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You do realize my comments are in the movie's context (where God and angels are real), right?

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I respect YOUR RIGHT to believe the Holy Bible is just a bunch of fairy tales, but why be so mean spirited about it, knowing that millions of people don't believe as you do? I would really like an honest answer here. Do you do it in a mocking and condescending way because you are tired of being brow beaten to believe something you can't believe, or do you respond in that manner because you hope "they" are wrong and you are right. Or is there another reason?

Seriously, I really am looking for honest dialog here.
TM

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Funny how people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about are hell bent on proving it....

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Other mythologies were woven into both testaments as the religions evolved. That's why there are so many inconsistencies.

No one was there to list the continuity goofs like here in IMDB.

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Lol. "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools."

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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