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Originally much more violent! Release the original cut now!


Judge Dredd was actually supposed to be a PG-13 movie. The production company at the time, Cynergy, they were having some financial troubles, so they didn't have any UK executives on location in England. And in their absence, the director (Danny Cannon), wanting to make it true to the comic book, was making everything more and more and more violent. So when the movie was delivered to be cut, it was rated X. It was rated X four times!

They say you can’t appeal after four. Four is all you get. Somehow, the producer, Ed Pressman managed to get it one more time to get it rated R. Which actually wasn’t a victory, because this was supposed to be PG-13. They had made a deal with Burger King, I think, and a toy company and you can’t advertise toys for an R-Rated movie, and no hamburger place wants toys for an R-Rated movie. So the hamburger people and the toy people turned around and sued Disney, the distributor!

Well, Disney then said, we’ll take this out of the director’s hide, because he signed a piece of paper saying he would deliver a PG-13. But Cynergy, who was releasing it THROUGH Disney, at that point had never done anything BUT an R-Rated movie. Nobody in the entire company had ever had the experience of putting that piece of paper in front of a director...so they had to pay him. They couldn’t withhold his salary for violating a legal promise they never asked him to make.

So at the eleventh hour, in a total state of panic, they decided that the advertising campaign should be cartoon panels. Keep in mind that this movie was about five frames away from being an x-rated movie. Their ad campaign was now comic panels of Stallone with word balloons. It’s complete cognitive dissonance!

Now, I’m innocent in this. I wrote a PG-13 script! Obviously, I knew how to do it! I did 8 o'clock network TV shows, for god's sake! In the script I wrote that the villain, Armand Assante says “Pull his arms and legs off, save his head for last, I want to hear him scream.” I wrote in the script that all you would see are the shadows and hear screams. What the director did, without any supervision since nobody from the studio was there, he had his prop people build an audio animatronic puppet, lifelike in every detail, with breakable limbs, and he actually shot the robot ripping the guy’s arms and legs off while the guy is screaming!

At the time, I lived around the corner from the studio, and they called me up when they got the dailies. It was the scene where they whack a newspaper reporter and his wife. In the script, I said it would look like your grandparent’s house, but decorated with stuff from now, since the movie is in the future. You were supposed to just see through the curtains a flash of the machine gun and screaming, and maybe one bullet hits the window. That’s what I wrote. When they showed me the scene in the dailies, this old couple dies like Bonnie and Clyde. Blown to bits in slow motion. I said, “Oh my God, this movie is supposed to be PG-13!” And they said, “No, it’s fine! the director knows all the ratings angles. Run it again!” And I’m like, “No! Once was enough! What did I miss?” He said, “They’re dry squibs! That’s PG-13! You don’t get an R-rating unless there’s blood.” I said, "There's no such rule! Who the *beep* told you that?”

When they put the movie together, there were no alternative takes. The only thing they could do with that scene was to take away the slow-motion and kill them faster, and cut the time of the violence down a little. The payoff is that a few years later, Stephen J. Cannell pitched me to be the writer on his Greatest American Hero movie at Disney. When I pitched at the meeting, everything went great. After I left, Stephen called me up, and he said, “I don’t understand. It was all going great, but the minute you left they said: there’s no way that sonuvabitch is ever gonna write a movie at Disney. He *beep* us so bad, we were sued by Burger King and the toy company for Judge Dredd. He wrote an x-rated movie for this studio!" I was persona non grata at Disney because of Judge Dredd!

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I was first think "what bullcrap is this" until I saw the link and that it was De Souza talking. Wow, that was a very interesting read, thanks for posting that!

How I wish they could release the director's original X-rated version on Blu-ray. The current one is so chopped to bits it isn't even funny.

Tesla was robbed!

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They should release it through one of their subsidiaries, like they did at the time. It was never released under the Disney banner.

We suffered through Stallone, we suffered through that unfunny douche Bigalow. We deserve to see the unrated Director's Cut!

Tesla was robbed!

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I just watched it on AMC, so it could be edited even more.
There did seem to be some cuts from scene to scene.
Surely there had to be more with the clones at the end. Did they really only pop up and scare Hershey and not do anything else? Seems like a waste of time.
The edit from Hershey helping Dredd up at the end to them coming out the front doors seems really awkward, too.

Like with other movies on cable - maybe it is different from the theatrical/home version.

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I've always considered this movie to be barely rated R, I can't believe that it was almost rated NC-17 and why? the violence in Dredd was way worse [bullets thru face in slo mo], hell it was worse in 2010's I Spit on Your Grave and that was R [anal sodomy with a shotgun and then shooting a baddy's chin off THROUGH the body].

I remember laughing when I saw the scene in RoboCop that almost gave it a NC-17 and was cut down, it was basically ED-209 shooting more bullets into a dead corpse's legs

I've seen AMC and TBS airings of this and IIRC all that was edited was language and some butt, hardly none of the violence

In regards to clones, i read that it was supposed to be more violent [Dredd shooting them in the face/head] but was cut doen for an R; thats why they seem to dissappear

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Amen to that !

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