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What was Chris tuckers disease??


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Was he not just a junkie? A typical reaction to the problem is to blame something else and Tucker's character just probably thought it was because of Vietnam.
Like he says: "It ain't the heroin" - I think it was!


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Alot of the people from Vietnam came back with serious STD's and remember Aids was around but no one knew what it was and hadn't named it yet. Being in foreign countries can be detrimental when there is no fresh water to drink or food. It could have been hepatitis from shooting up or any number of things.
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The earliest reported cases of AIDS in America, I believe, were in the late '70s. I believe Skip dies in the early '70s. As far as we know, he had complications to the Agent Orange (who knows how much the doctors were downplaying such complications then?), and developed a heroin addication. The latter alone, call it a disease or what you will, is enough to put someone into an early grave, which is exactly what it did to Skip.

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Everyone, PLEASE realize that the HIV tests DO NOT test for HIV at all. Instead, they test for antibodies NOT related to HIV at all. (NOTE: 70 to 100 medical conditions NOT related to HIV at all). Also, the "HIV" virus has not been isolated. Please check out the documentaries, "HIV Fact or Fraud", "House of Numbers", "The Science of Panic" on Youtube.com. It's life saving info people! Wake up!!!! Note: Even then Reagan Secretary of Health Margaret Heckler, said in the 1984 press conference, "The Probable Cause of AIDS has been found". Not "the cause" or "the culprit.". But, the "probable" cause.

Also, co-discoverer Luc Montagnier said, "that we can be exposed to HIV without being chronically infected. And if you have a healthy immune system (using good, proper nutrition), you can cure it within a matter of weeks. The same applies to any poor person, or an impoverished African, etc.

Look up the definition of probable, it means 1) Likely, but not of certain 2) Maybe, but not sure. Folks, ya'll been LIED to for the past 30+ years. Wake up please!

P.S. Also visit virusmyth.com. It explains the other side about HIV/AIDS. Also, visit omsj.org., under HIV/AIDS which explain the lawsuits going on against the AIDS establishment and also, visit virusmyth.com, which exposes the dangers and toxicity of HIV AIDS medicines and exposes the scam from the get go. One love.

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Wow, I just read this. I cannot believe there are people out there who think like you. I really hope by 2015, you have learned more about the biology of how a virus works, and that at the rate of it's mutation, there is no such thing as a "cure", from your body or any real source. Maybe look up on how the HIV virus replicates, and you will realize how stupid you sound.

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Hey quangile you're the one that NEEDS to realize how STUPID that you have sound. So Shut the hell up and read the facts. There is no mutation of no DAMN "VIRUS" because it is NOT proven to exist!

Yeah, sure, whatever says on that NON-SPECIFIC test, may be detected as positive, but that does not necessarily mean that that person could be sick or not.

Even, co-discoverer Luc Montagnier said that if you have a healthy immune system. Your body can get rid of "HIV" in a matter of weeks. Even the same with a poor person of color. And that you can exposed to it many times, without being chronically infected.

Also, people need to raise questions with their doctors & BE EXTREMELY careful and vigilant, about the Arv drugs they are prescribed, because if you read their black box warning labels and the package instructional inserts for them, the pharmaceutical companies or whomever developed those medication ADMIT that those ARV medications cause Hepatoxicity or Extreme damage to the liver, either short or long term and other body organ dysfunctions and damages, which lead to either a short or long term HORRIBLE death by prescription.

Yeah, sure, we may take vaccines that are required for us when we're little, but what if those "dead" particles, come back to life all of a sudden? Maybe that's why our immune system emits antibodies, in the first place. Maybe the indication of antibodies are actually an indicator in which our immune system is doing everything in its ability to keep the infections at bay, not necessarily meaning that your body is infected or sick. What Dr. Montagnier was talking about, in the documentary of "House of Numbers" is that we need to add nutrition along with people's daily regimen of their medication or no medication, in which allopathic or mainstream medicine does NOT tell people.

Also I remember co-discoverer Dr. Robert Gallo, who is responsible for this confusion, said that the "HIV" test is a test only for exposure, not necessarily a test to diagnose "HIV" infection. Even Dr. Rodney Richards, who developed those first tests, admit that they should NOT be used for diagnosing infection. How come we don't hear this information in the mainstream media and from these medical and charity organizations? Maybe they don't know or they act like they're ignorant, in which it puts people's health at risk.

And also, why would Director of Allergy and infectious diseases Anthony Fauci ADMIT that HIV is a disease that is extremely difficult to transmit. But yet and still, he is advocating a program called PREP, to prevent "HIV" infection in people that are Negative! Is that caring for the individual or is that a deathly disaster waiting to happen? Let that resonate for a moment, in contrast, to those ads you see on billboards, TV airwaves, magazines, newspapers, radio, mainstream internet websites, etc., saying to "Go get tested" and "Knowing is beautiful."

Even Dr. Rodney Richards, the inventor of the first "HIV" tests, even said that those tests SHOULD NOT be used to DIAGNOSE infection. In other words, those test should be really be EXPERIMENTAL or RESEARCHED based only.

Even Dr. James Chin, ADMITTED that AIDS numbers in reference to the statistics, are COOKED, in other words. the numbers are falsely put out there or fabricated to put on this dog and pony illusion that there is a boogeyman virus out there waiting to kill all of us off.

In the 1984 press conference, then Secretary Margaret Heckler, said, "the PROBABLE cause of AIDS has been found." Not the cause or the culprit. Probably does not mean that you are sure, it means just likely. Now does that sound like that our government had the confidence to tell people what was killing all those gay men (R.I.P. to them and the others over this lie), in the first place?

All I'm saying is that there are a lot of unanswered questions that need to be answered.

You have to ask yourself do THEY REALLY care about you or do THEY REALLY care about making more money, and still no "CURE"? You be the judge.

Please, visit, these websites for more information & research.

1) OMSJ.org 2) HouseofNumbers.com 3) HelpforHIV.com 4) Consciousdr.com

5) Rense.com 6) Virusmyth.com 7) Youtube.com (Type in either "House of Numbers", "HIV: Fact or Fraud", "Positively False: Birth of a Heresy", "The Science of Panic", "Interview with Dr Robert Gallo - Geneva World AIDS Conference 1998" in the Search Box. 8) Whale.to/aids.html

9) aras.ab.ca/test-disclaimers.html 10) robertscottbell.com 11) fda.gov (Type in "HIV Medications and HIV Tests" in the Search box & read the Black Box warning labels carefully). 12) virusmyth.net/aids/data/cjtestfp.htm 13) NaturalCures.com 14) garynull.com 15) NaturalNews.com


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"what if those "dead" particles, come back to life all of a sudden?"...
I stopped reading after this. Go back to high school science.

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That's if your immune system is extremely fragile. I was talking about the "particles" from the vaccine, like Diphtheria, HPV, Influenza, etc, not the "HIV" one in which it's nothing but a *beep* LIE. Period. But, the main concern from vaccines to worry about, are the toxic chemicals that are injected from those vaccines into our bodies. That's what I'm mainly saying. I'm not saying that AIDS is not real. It is. But, not the way in which that WE HAVE BEEN MISLED & LIED TO. 1984 LIE of the press conference, "the PROBABLE CAUSE of AIDS has been found", the toxic, deadly drugs, the faulty, unreliable, psychological, mental- *beep* of test, and the manipulated statistics. Another thing that you have to worry about when it comes to vaccines and this is very important, is the chemicals that are used to formulate the composite of the contents inside the vaccine (e.g. Mercury, Thiomersal, etc.)

Quangjle, you're nothing but a government sponsored TROLL. So leave me alone with your PRO-PROPAGANDIST $$$ Genocidal Drivel. Okay? Before you kill & murder more people or that someone with your SO-CALLED BACKED UP SCIENCE" you CON-ARTIST TROLL. Just Shut Up. There I said it.

P.S. Maybe YOU'RE the one that NEEDS to go back to HIGH This is a Multi-Billion Dollar Genocidal Enterprise that DOES NOT, I MEAN DOES NOT, care about me nor you. It is all about making BLOOD MONEY, disguised as a philanthropic, charitable task force out there to kill people. SCHOOL SCIENCE!You don't know anything about me, so SHUT UP and GROW UP!

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"I was talking about the "particles" from the vaccine, like Diphtheria, HPV, Influenza, etc, not the "HIV" one in which it's nothing but a *beep* LIE.".

First of all, there is no vaccine for HIV. Secondly, stop using the term HIV and AIDS interchangeably. They are not the same.

I realize you are one of those nut jobs that don't really understand how vaccines work, and think the chemicals in them are harmful. Did you know, that because of people like you, they had to ban a preservative (thimerosal) in vaccines, so it actually costs MORE now for developing countries in Africa, and less people are able to have access to vaccines via the UN.

Also, how can a particle of a cell wall from a dead TB cell come back to life? Yes, that is what is the active ingredient in a TB vaccine that allows your body to create Antibodies. Did you know that Viruses are not considered "Alive" to begin with? Please explain to me why you consider a virus a living organism with respect to the definition of a "living organism"? Does it eat? Does it mate? Does it age? Can it exist without a host's cells? Does it even have cells? How can something be alive if it doesn't even have a cell? DId you know that TB is not considered a Virus or a bacteria, but it's own category?
You are a stupid head.

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Everyone, PLEASE realize that the HIV tests DO NOT test for HIV at all. Instead, they test for antibodies NOT related to HIV at all. (NOTE: 70 to 100 medical conditions NOT related to HIV at all). Also, the "HIV" virus has not been isolated. Please check out the documentaries, "HIV Fact or Fraud", "House of Numbers", "The Science of Panic" on Youtube.com. It's life saving info people! Wake up!!!! Note: Even then Reagan Secretary of Health Margaret Heckler, said in the 1984 press conference, "The Probable Cause of AIDS has been found". Not "the cause" or "the culprit.". But, the "probable" cause.

Also, co-discoverer Luc Montagnier said, "that we can be exposed to HIV without being chronically infected. And if you have a healthy immune system (using good, proper nutrition), you can cure it within a matter of weeks. The same applies to any poor person, or an impoverished African, etc.

Look up the definition of probable, it means 1) Likely, but not of certain 2) Maybe, but not sure. Folks, ya'll been LIED to for the past 30+ years. Wake up please!

P.S. Also visit virusmyth.com. It explains the other side about HIV/AIDS. Also, visit omsj.org., under HIV/AIDS which explain the lawsuits going on against the AIDS establishment and also, visit virusmyth.com, which exposes the dangers and toxicity of HIV AIDS medicines and exposes the scam from the get go. One love.

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From what I've been told, Skippy was exposed to Agent Orange when he was over in Vietnam, which messed up his body.


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I remember him saying that he didn't have enough white cells in his body, and that he was waking up in cold sweats, so whatever disease has those symptoms, that's what it was. No doubt his drug abuse had alot to do with it too.

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sounds like AIDS.

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It was AGENT ORANGE

I read over everyone's responses regarding Skip's condition, and it was indeed "Agent Orange", a defoliant best known for its use during the war in Vietnam. Degradation of Agent Orange (as well as Agents Purple, Pink, and Green) released dioxins, which have allegedly caused harm to the health of those exposed during the Vietnam War.

When Skip mentioned, "my blood is all *beep* up", he was mentioning one of the many symptoms/side effects/cancers secondary to Agent Orange, which are Hodgkins disease (spread of disease from lymph node to lymph node),and possibly Acute Myeloid Leukemia (AML...interfers with normal blood cell production). Based on his statement about his blood, I am willing to bet he developed AML.

It was not AIDS....before making blank statements about AIDS and heroin, do your research on veterans during this era. As for his heroin use, he was self-medicating for pain which lead to an addiction. One of the main symptoms of
AML is bone and joint pain. Unfortunately, he possibly acquired a high tolerance for heroin, which means his pain was not relieved as much...hence, his overdose at the end.

As for his 50% medical (disability), I found information detailed below

"Since past Agent Orange exposure is difficult to quantify, the VA classifies a veteran who served in Vietnam between 1962 and 1975 who has been afflicted with an Agent Orange related condition as having a service-related disability".

http://www.lamblawoffice.com/Agent-Orange-cancer.html

Remember people...research is good thing, instead of coasting by on assumptions.

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First of all, nobody can KNOW what he had becuase the scenes in this movie do not specifically state. All we can do is make educated guesses based on what kinds of "fu-ked up white cell" problems Viet Nam vets had.

The earliest identified HIV from banked samples goes as far back as 1959. However, his condition develops shortly after the war and during this time, there were very few cases (obviously NONE reported at the time since the disease was not yet defined, but by retrospective blood testing...) and the epidemiology does not suggest IVDU spread until the 80s.

Agent Orange or just bad luck could work for myelodysplastic syndrome. It certainly fits the idea of "f-cked up white cells" and him being sick but not bedridden. If he had AML, I might expect that he would be receiving some chemo for it, being that he's still 50% connected. Of course, he could have just failed to mention it.

The heroin, and all the crap that it was undoubtedly cut with, wasn't helping his condition any.

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Shut up you vegetable, it WAS supposed to be AIDS in this film.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!

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I don't think it was AIDS. There would have been other symptom. Also wasn't hepatitis or anything like that. I'm 99% sure they were referring to Agent Orange or some variation on it.

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I always assumed it was shellshock, waking up in cold sweats and such.

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That wouldn't explain the thick blood.

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You're probably right, but couldn't he have gotten physically sick from it or something?

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It's hard to believe some of you people can function in daily life being so dumb.............Skip was suffering from the effects of Agent Orange. Anyone who thinks/thought it was AIDS is a bonehead.

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at first i thought it was post traumatic stress disorder

agent orange sounds spot on though

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Wow, what a strong, well-worded reply. Remind me to ask you to write legal briefs for Supreme Court cases.

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what did you expect, a 340 page novella?

blowbag

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My reply was to this post:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112819/board/thread/125791294?d=143934897&p=1#143934897

This forum could use some updating to, say, message boards circa 2003.

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Probably was Agent Orange.His comments about "...something got into me...my blood cells all *beep* up..." Would leave me to believe so. Maybe an STD.




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Agent Orange, without a doubt. I watched this with my sister and we both blurted it out at the same time. It was pretty damn obvious to us. The symptoms fit as well.

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Yeah, the second I saw it, I figured Agent Orange.

Kind of like the scene on Forrest Gump, with Jenny, when she discloses these vague symptoms that doctors can't figure out. THAT was AIDS, obviously, and the true giveaway with Dead Prez and Gump is the backstory of Skip (Vietnam late 60's early 70's) and Jenny (Multiple sex partners-unprotected in mid-late 70's). They both tried to make it relatively obvious but not hit you over the head with it. Then again, depending on your age group, that time period could be ancient history and it wouldn't be as easy to put 2 and 2 together.

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I thought it was obvious that Skip was referring to Agent Orange. While reading some of the stronger responses in this thread, I really was wondering how they could defend any other conclusion.

Boss did bring up a good point though that depending on their age group and no doubt some other factors, it would not be as easy for them to put 2 and 2 together. It must be outside their frame of reference in much the same way that it was outside of Skip’s.

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As the last few posts have stated, it is Agent Orange. Another point of evidence that no one has yet to point out is that other soldiers are demonstrating symptoms, as noted when Skip says:

"Man, some sh*t got into me over there, man. Alls I know is my blood cells is all *beep* up...some nights I wake up in cold sweats and sh*t. Don't look at me like that man, it ain't the heroin--the heroin ain't never did nothin' to me. A lot of vets comin' down with this sh*t."

Anthony: "And they don't know what it is?"
Skip: "Square biz."

Everyone didn't know of the effects of Agent Orange at the time.

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Everyone didn't know of the effects of Agent Orange at the time.
But the playwrite did - Skip probably had nothing more than either, PTSD or STD from all the humpin' (figuratively and subjectively) that he did while on tour, or both - Not to mention his recreational drug use.

Somthin' had gotten 'into' him alright, and I guess it is this ambiguity that makes this film exceptional.


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Of course the playwrite did--but he isn't part of the story-->he was setting that tone.

The "everyone" I was referring to were the people in the movie.

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How about non A non B hepatitis from him being a junkie?

Spoiler alert for them spoil sports out there! Y'all like spoiled milk, stop crying over it!

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