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I really don't like this movie.


And the reason I don't like it is because the film makers really played up the whole race thing towards the end. Could they have not just been at odds with the Russians rather than each others' throats?

It seemed really needlessly preachy, as if the film makers were saying "Listen all you military elitists, we know you're mostly white right-leaning paranoid war-mongering jerks, so here's a movie that'll get your dandruff up because the hero's a black guy! So there!"

Me, I liked Denzel Washington being in the film. I could care less if the whole crew were black. But it seemed like I was getting a message shoved down my throat, and that it was a message that I think most well rounded people already have etched in their brain.

But it felt like this movie, for whatever reason, needed to ram home to point. Why, I just don't know.

And that pisses me off. It's as if I'm being fed a message that is wasted on me, and that on top of it, it's fed with a kind of zeal as if I personally, and people like me, needed to hear it.

That really rubs me raw. And that's why I really don't like this movie.

I'm going to make a submarine movie, and it won't have racial or class politics in it. It'll have action, drama, show how a real sub operates, and people will like it.

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At the time, for me it was annoying but I get exactly what you are talking about.

In Today's politically charged atmosphere, It would royally piss me off.
We got a President you are not allowed to disagree with, without being called a racist for doing so. Trayvon Martin... hell... All of it.
I don't have a single racist bone in my body. I have only ever been called racist one or two times my whole life until after 2008. And those times were by people intentionally trying to piss me off.

Since 2008 I have lost count of how many times I have been called a racist by those truly believing in what they say.
It's to the point that the first person that calls me a racist to my face, in person, is going to get the Sh!t kicked outta him.

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Let me know when it happens. I'll be there with my iPhone.

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Now, I'm not saying that you are a racist, but...

You just did.

YOU are absolutely full of sh!t in your whole post there.

Anyone who brings up Trayvon Martin is a racist?

That right there is a prime example of the a$$holery I am referring to about false accusations of racism.

The Trayvon Shooting incident had ZERO to do with race.
Everything racial about it was FALSELY brought up by racists like Al Sharpton, etc...

What I am referring to in my post above, is being called racist by liberals because I disagree with Obama's policies.

I could care less what race Obama is or isn't. His being black or not is a non-issue for me.

I vehemently hate his policies which I view as being destructive to the United States.

But I will continuously get falsely accused of being a racist because in the eyes of liberals I cannot disagree with him on policy alone. It MUST BE because he is black and thus I am a racist.
THAT is the bullsh!t I am referring to.
Yet you come off with this crap post and sit there and continue to call em a racists while pretending you didn't.

But that's what I expect from a troll like you.



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I'm with you all the way.

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The Trayvon Martin shooting wasn't about race? Who are you trying to convince? Yourself or readers of this thread?

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Congratulations, you just outed yourself as a big ol' racist. Well done.

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No I did not. You outed yourself as a troll however.

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Nope, just someone who can spot a racist. They are often found to protest that they are not racist even when no one had yet called them one; they see "reverse racism" everywhere including in a movie like this that had black people on both sides of the dispute; they just coincidentally have a ferocious hatred for Barack Obama and Eric Holder, and any time a black kid gets shot they take the side of the shooter.

I bet you also like Phil from Duck Dynasty, and that Bundy wacko who won't pay his grazing fees but will aim guns at federal agents and spout off similar theories as Phil's about how blacks were better off under slavery.

I'm sure you also have some names of Uncle Tom black folks you can defensively trot out as people you approve of, like the almost-as-wacko-as-Bundy Allen West.

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...and any time a black kid gets shot they take the side of the shooter.


And the fact that you can ascertain the true nature of a shooting incident based solely on the identities of the parties involved (race, age, etc.) to the absolute exclusion of all other information about what happened...well, that says nothing adverse about your character. Victimology is the only just worldview, no?




"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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I never said no shooting of a black kid has ever been justified, anywhere, ever. But it's the pattern: the fact that the people I'm talking about never see these shootings as unjustified (yet they probably think the FBI shootings at Ruby Ridge were horrible), and they hate Obama and Holder with a passion, and they think the "true racism" in America is against white people, and they like these guys like Phil and Bundy that say all these racist things. It all adds up to a very suspicious pattern.

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I never said no shooting of a black kid has ever been justified, anywhere, ever.


Huh. I guess I must have made a bunch of blanket assumptions about you and the universe of your thought based on almost zero actual knowledge of you as a person.


My bad.

Let's just say I was basing it a suspicious pattern I have observed.


Do you think you could clarify for me a bit about that moral high ground that you occupy over all the people that you have railed against, even though your first instinct was to use a racially charged epithet to describe Col. West? An epithet that, in modern political context, basically means a black man whose expressed beliefs fall outside what we, the enlightened whites, have allowed real black men to express.





"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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Dammit... I was gonna give you a [cheers]
BUt Imdb has changed it's emoticons to silly little child cartoons

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Oh.

My.

God.

Those are the most wretched things I have ever seen. When did that happen? It must have been today.

This cannot be allowed to stand.





"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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Good thing my previous post was before the Ferguson Missouri shooting.

The guy commits robbery on a store.
When stopped by an officer for walking in the middle of the street he attacks the Officer, shattering the Officer's eye socket. When the Officer draws his weapon and tried to stop the thug from getting away the thug charges Forcing the Officer to have to shoot him.

Yet I'm racist because the Officer happens to be white and the thug happens to be black.
SMH


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His eye socket was not shattered: http://politix.topix.com/news/13814-ferguson-cop-did-not-have-a-fractu red-eye-socket-after-killing-brown

I would be curious to hear your take on this case, which was not a shooting but involved cops who admitted they were dealing with someone who did not attack them or anyone else but said he was acting "abnormal":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy5JoZ6pmdM

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Your link above claiming his socket was not shattered...

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EDIT:
Despite your source not working, I found on my own that his eyesocket was not broken, however he did have a swollen face from being repeatedly punched.


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It inserts a space in "fractured", breaking the URL, no matter how I try to edit it.

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Regardless, It does not alter the fact that the thug assaulted the police officer which regardless of the thug not having a firearm himself, was justified in using deadly force.
The same holds true whether the police officer was Black and the thug, White.

Race is not an issue except what *beep* like you and people like Al Sharpton and other inject into it.

You've falsely and without evidence have accused me several times of being racist.
You have failed to prove one iota of evidence that I am racist other than your bullsh!t empty headed accusations





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No, in modern political context, it's how the vast majority of black people themselves would judge Col. West.

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No, in modern political context, it's how the vast majority of black people themselves would judge Col. West.


I am skeptical that the "vast majority of black people" use the term you used. The responsible ones do not.






"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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Let me ask you this: if we polled a hundred randomly sampled black Americans and had them read this thread, and then asked them which of the two of us they were more sympathetic to, do you really think it would be you? Can you actually make that claim with a straight face?

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Let me ask you this: if we polled a hundred randomly sampled black Americans and had them read this thread, and then asked them which of the two of us they were more sympathetic to, do you really think it would be you? Can you actually make that claim with a straight face?


I have a dream that my three sons will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of hypothetical polls taken of imaginary people with a specific skin color.



My compliments to you, Slacker. I have very rarely seen - and I mean this with all sincerity - so much unintentional Truth encapsulated in one IMDb post. You have perfectly laid out the most cogent argument possible for your side of the discussion. There is no where else to go from there.

I think you have a bright future in government if you choose to go that way. You'll probably have to stop calling people "Uncle Toms" in public, but who knows? Times are changing. Marie Harf may be using that term from the podium by next Tuesday.

Fare well.




"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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I've always wanted to go into politics (as a Democrat, obv.), but I think I do say overly frank, "impolitic" things. I'd be great as a Carville type strategist though, I think. So thanks for the compliment! 😎

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I agree OP, but for different reasons. I think it's incredibly overrated, partly because it operates in a genre with little competition. It's hokey, full of people hamming it up, is unrealistic, and underwhelming. They believe they could get by with their cast and as a result wrote a half-baked story filled with holes and a totally underwhelming "climax".

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Hmm. I didn't even notice race. Just two very different officers with two very different backgrounds and a storyline snatched from the cold war era. Plus, wasn't it a novel made into a movie?
If race really doesn't matter, why were you so aware of it?
You can say it's the movie makers' fault, but what about those of us who don't feel it was shoved down our throats?
Hmmm, what could it be????

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Saltnurwound,

You're just putting on an act to prove a point, right? You're not really this naive, are you? The racial subtext in this movie was about as subtle as a bulldozer in a rose garden, and equally unnecessary.




"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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Plus, wasn't it a novel made into a movie?

No, this was not a movie adaptation from a novel.
If there is a novel, it is a "novelization" of the film's script.

If race really doesn't matter, why were you so aware of it?

Because as the OP stated, it was blatantly obvious and forced upon the audience.


...but what about those of us who don't feel it was shoved down our throats?
Hmmm, what could it be????

Clueless, Oblivious, I could go on...



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Hmm. I didn't even notice race. Just two very different officers with two very different backgrounds and a storyline snatched from the cold war era.
Same here.

I've seen this film a number of times over the years and the issue of race never crossed my mind.

Yet coming to these boards today it seems a big issue, with posters claiming the horses discussion between Ramsey and the XO is all about race as well.

IMO those thinking along those lines are punching at shadows that simply aren't there.

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Yes, this.

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It needed more mutinies. Like every 10 minutes. By the end of the movie even the ensigns are steppin' up, arguing about horses. At the end of the movie that poor bastard from the bilge bay is the acting captain and everyone else is in the brig or confined to quarters.

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Why when making a point about race do people feel need to shout "I am not a racist" OP your point came across loud and clear but adding in that you don't have a "racist bone" makes one think that you indeed do. My God just make your comment and leave it at that. Who gaf what your personal views are.

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Calm down, spas.

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I read this post and all I could think of was *facepalm*. Why in the hell are you reading so much into the fact that the script had a black man contradicting a white man? There were black and white people on both sides of the mutiny, like Rocky Carroll's character, who sided with Captain Ramsey.

As Freud once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

When a loose cannon flogs a dead horse, there's the Devil to pay!

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Very well said. OP really stepped in it.

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Congratulations, you just outed yourself as a big ol' racist. Well done.

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You might be pleased to know that my Freesat box messed up and called the film Crimson Tid.

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