V'GER, Khan, Klingon assasins, evil God, a space probe, the Romulans, Khan attacking him again with the Reliant, charlie X, a group of dominatrixs on the bridge, the Genesis disaster and Krugge, ..........he dies falling off a *beep* bridge because of some ass who wanted happiness forever and a captain who qoutes Shakespear
"On Earth everyone can hear you scream"- Alien 3 trailer
Wouldn't he have been dead anyway by that point in the 24th century I agree the death was lame but even if he didn't get taken by the Nexus in the timeline he would be like what 180 years old or most likely dead anyway.
share^ Misses point of thread entirely.
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Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
It just seems nobody ever brings that up about how he would have been dead anyway.
shareBecause its irrelevant and unimportant. What is important is that TNG producers showed as little respect to the character as possible (staring with the shot in the back and then with him falling down with the bridge).
And the Enterprise-B had nobody in engineering who could have set off the resonance burst?
"Oh no...they sent the wrong Spock!"
I am not a big fan of Star Trek but i have liked the characters from both TOS and TNG. Although the death of Kirk was not how i imagined it would happen, it is in a way fitting. No one defeated him... not even age/time.
In my opinion, which maybe wrong in Trek canon or universe - since writers tend to create solutions to their own inadequate past writings, Kirk didnt die on the bridge anyways (whether a steel bridge or that of the Enterprise)he died saving a past enterprise and its crew. It is of my opinion that the nexus is one of two things; a parallel universe or a dream. The fact Picard can go in any direction of time through just his thought defines the nexus to me as a dream/fantasy/artificial. In a dream all characters are different parts of your subconscious mind. He wants Whoopie to be in the dream, once he realizes where he is and needs comforting in the situation. So there she is to calm and inform. He needs a purpose because he knows what he is witnessing is not real -he has never had kids. He abandons the charade and Whoopie, in my opinion Picards subconscious mind calming him and evaluating options, presents him with the ability to do something "real" should he not accept the current vision of happiness presented. So he remembers a legend in star fleet, a former captain of Enterprise, who was lost to the very same nexus - but may never have been captured by it since he was in a ship or in space where his blood would boil and he would become an icicle at the same moment.
He teams up with Kirk saves the day but everyone is dead and the fantasy world continues. There is no one to save him from the real fate. No ship in the system left to beam him or the TNG crew out. Everyone is dead... but of course its just a porly written story and maybe the writers just say "hey lets forget that that happened...our writers tried to be smart when really they just arent".
I cant explain how Picard knew about Kirks life etc. So perhaps Kirk is there and maybe Kirk chose to die in the artificial world - where the bridge and rocks dont even exist (no fear of the horse jump because IT ISNT REAL). Perhpas Kirk was such a legend, and Picard so eager to learn history that Picard knew much about the former Captain without needing Kirk actually there to fill in the illusion. From the Picard characters past we do know he is one for history and would likely know everything about a Starfleet legend like Kirk. But alas the Horse jump shows everything. Nothing is real. Everyone is dead.
To me Kirk dies in engineering and the Kirk from Picards nexus entrapment is just the subconscious mind of a man caught in perpetual energy limbo. Not sure if some writer cleared this up later and said..."can the audience please forget "Generations" and forget that everyones dead and we are in Picards head for the rest of Star Trek's narrative? Lets erase that and for get it happened please".
I still want to know what the bridge is doing there. Veridian 3 is uninhabited so why is there a bridge. Unless there an ale=ien race that goes around the universe putting steel bridges on uninhabited planets
shareHuh? What a stupid thing to ask. The bridge was obviously a part of the complex that Soran had built in the months or even years prior to the energy ribbon's arrival on Veridian III. Duh!
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Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
Thank you for that wise and insightful comment. It helps my understanding immensely. Apart from, of course, where it leads from, where it leads to, what it's actual point is and why it falls off the cliff so readily.
Still, I won't trouble you with that. I'll just leave you to your feeble minded insulting behaviour, and how much it says about you.
Kirk thought he'd die on the bridge, instead he died under one ...
He should have died more heroically IMO. He's James T Kirk for gods sake!!
And if, you know, your history...it's enough to make your heart go whoooooahh
I guess having him simply falling off a cliff makes his death more realistic for some people. I mean, Kirk was a human after all and not a god or prophet (like Sisko). At the same time, I think the death was just an afterthought and the writers wanted to make the film significant because it would feature Kirk's demise. I mean...Kirk didn't even have to die! Just leave him in the Nexus! Ugh, not cool. William Shatner should have opted not to do it. I don't think he thought Nimoy would come back years later. But...Nimoy opted out of GEN and Shatner could have done the same, but he didn't. So, when Shatner was upset as to why he wasn't included in the new film, I didn't feel sorry for him. YOU KILLED HIM OFF!!!
shareWell,Kirk might still be in the Nexus, at least a part of him like Guinan's "echo" that remained there and interacted with Picard many decades later.
Guinan's "echo" couldn't leave the Nexus because the "real" Guinan already did 80 years ago and there would be 2 versions of her, if she did.
So I don't know if Kirk's "Echo" (if there even is one) would be able to leave the Nexus, even if he tried to.