Why all the hate?

First of all, let me say I don't hate this movie, but it's not one of my favourites of the Trek movies.

I really love all the scenes on board the Enterprise with the Klingon Bird Of Prey, the crash sequence is still jaw droppingly good too.

The problem, for me, is all the content in the Nexus. Picard's Victorian era perfect family is just sickening and cringe worthy. Kirk's death is really anti climactic, and Malcolm McDowell's villain is just really underdeveloped and uninteresting.

Whenever it cuts to Picard, Kirk and Soran running around on that desert planet, I just think it's really boring. It's like Picard got stuck with the B story and that the first TNG movie got hijacked by Shatner, who doesn't even really get anything great to do.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth!

It is great film. Smart and intelligent. It is not relies on action like recent films. It is about characters, it is about sci-fi concepts and it's very cinematic with great landscapes, beautifully crafted visual effects ,subtle but thoughtful and effective score. (Action however is also very good and tense)

I like dr.Soran as evil guy with understandable obsession. He is very well developed , has great dialog and played as a real person not as a cartoonish comic-book idiot (c'mon Idris Elba).

I do like the the finale fight with Soran it is a great nod to TOS, where Kirk's fists often were a last argument. I like that his death was realized not as over the top super heroic but small and unnoticed by others. Overall classic Star Trek and best TNG movie.

It isn't THAT bad. Actually, it's quite entertaining. Just don't think about it :)

It's like Star Trek V (with better effects): stupid, but fun.

I'm just on my way up to Clavius.

I never understood the hate for this movie, either. It isn't my favorite, but I thought it was amusing, entertaining, and a nice jump start for the TNG crew to get their own movies. Data and his emotion chip were great, especially the scenes when he is trying to tell Picard he cannot handle it and Picard counsels him. I loved those moments (Picard counseling Data on humanity) in the series, and it was nice to see it with some emotion on Data's part.


The only thing that bugs me now is the fact that Scotty is present when Kirk "dies" by being sucked out into space in the beginning, but in his appearance in TNG he believed that Kirk had "brought the ship out of mothballs" to come save him. I guess you could just read it as denial on his part though, or disorientation from being stuck in a transporter for 70+ years.

I love it because it's really Trekkie, it feels more like what Roddenberry would've done. This is my favorite Trek movie of the 4 that TNG cast made.

I really like this movie as well. When I saw it in the theater, I thought it was great to see the TNG crew in a movie on the big screen. Being able to see the Enterprise B in the beginning was cool too, since we never really saw much of the period between the original series and the Next Generation. I thought the actors did a good job as well, and the movie was fun to watch.

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It's a great movie, but I do agree that Soran could've used a bit more background/more clips like one of the borg destroying his home-planet, ect.

I would've enjoyed the movie better if it came out before TNG series started since it would've further symbolized the passing of the reins from one captain to another as it so themes throughout the movie.

There's a question of whether or not you would be able to enter the nexus through starship, maybe use a spacesuit w/ a jet-pack to enter the ribbon, but since Soran spent 80 years on a solution it would appear not since the ship would've been destroyed before passing through the ribbon.

Maybe people dislike how Kirk's death was shown on this film and then later on alive to only die again removing the possibility of him ever coming back - the thing I don't understand that they could've done was if they failed the first time they could enter the ribbon again to repeat events. Kirk's role in the movie was minimal and could've been more.

Perhaps it was the fact that the ribbon could somehow materialize you in reality wherever & whenever you wanted even if it's a temporal distortion. How would it interpret your thoughts?

Or it was the fact that if Picard/Kirk were to try to change the future then wouldn't the Ribbon image of Soran be transferred to reality as well to prevent the future from changing?

I don't think the Victorian age scene was so ridiculous since Picard was caught up with tradition...it's actually not so dissimilar from his own upbringing spent in a wine-yard avoiding comfort technology.

"Jean-Luc Picard was born in La Barre, France on Earth to Maurice and Yvette Picard on July 13, 2305. (TNG: "Family", "Conundrum") He and his elder brother, Robert, spent their childhood tending to their family vineyards with their father. Concerned about the preservation of their familial values, Maurice and his wife educated their sons in the ancient traditions, avoiding, in particular, any superfluous technologies. (TNG: "Family") As a young boy, Jean-Luc watched his grandfather "deteriorate from a powerful, intelligent figure to a frail wisp of a man, who could barely make his own way home."
- From http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard

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In terms of non-reboots, if "First Contact" didn't exist it would be my favorite Star Trek film BY FAR. As it is, it's just my favorite Star Trek film, First Contact is a close second, and there is a HUGE gulf between it and every other Star Trek film (EDIT: again, non-reboots... if I'm including the new ones, the first reboot might come in at a close third).
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