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The Nexus makes no effing sense

posted 9 years ago by It_Is_Minus_9
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So, we're told the nexus is like "being wrapped in joy," "no one can leave it."

So how does Picard snap out of his trance and decide to leave?

Furthermore, if the nexus' whole purpose is nonstop joy and good memories, how are they able to go back Sauron shooting the rocket? That's not a good memory. WHY WOULD THAT BE IN THE NEXUS?!

Also why is the rocket even there when they go back? Presumably Sauron had to shoot the rocket to blow up the star to summon the ribbon. So if they went back just as the ribbon appeared, the rocket would not be there.

DID NO ONE ELSE THINK ABOUT THIS?!?!

Nexus makes no sense.

Lame movie!!

[–] Odilwerk 8 years ago

It's an energy ribbon hurtling through space at ridiculous speeds, we know very little about it.

With all the time displacement throughout the entire series is it really that difficult to believe in an energy ribbon ripping open space time, creating a metaphysical realm?

Picard was able to consciously see it and interact with it because he had the information to do so, and actually wanted to. It's my belief that time has little meaning to the nexus ribbon and those that can consciously attune to it can actually place themselves in locations the ribbon has passed, essentially travelling through time.

It's not the most well thought out part of science fiction ever devised, including areas of Star Trek. It's hardly a 'bad' concept, just a touch lazy.

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[–] mikeyg24 8 years ago

"no one can leave it."

When is this ever said. As the other poster said we know little beyond the physics of the Nexus except that it caters to your every desire even transferring you from the Nexus to a place and time in the universe you wish.

So Picard and Kirk get the Nexus to drop them off at Sorens rocket launcher a few minutes before he launches it.

That being said he might have been better off getting the Nexus to drop him off much earlier when Soren was still on the enterprise and had Worf watch him like a hawk and prevent him from leaving the ship. But then there's no movie.

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[–] It_Is_Minus_9 8 years ago

"no one can leave it."

When is this ever said. As the other poster said we know little beyond the physics of the Nexus except that it caters to your every desire even transferring you from the Nexus to a place and time in the universe you wish.

Guinan says it to Picard when she's asked about her experience in the Nexus. She compares it to being "wrapped in joy" and stresses how hard it is to actually leave it.

[–] mikeyg24 8 years ago

"no one can leave it."
stresses how hard it is to actually leave it

Well fair enough but not being able to leave it and not wanting to leave it are two different things. That being said how Picard and Kirk had the fortitude to leave one can only speculate. Maybe their experiences as Captains in Starfleet and the wonders they witnessed gave them a more developed perspective on the wonders of the universe than the average Joe.

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[–] gundamknight111 8 years ago

They could leave since everything was too perfect. They understood that Life is not a perfect thing - it has its ups & downs and being inside the Nexus only included ups.

Picard had fore-knowledge, I believe the Guinan of the Nexus wasn't actually there, but his proverbial subconscious/duty to the Enterprise reminding him it wasn't real. The ball ornaments on the Christmas tree was showing him the star/sun explosion over & over. His nephew Renee was still alive with each falsity compounding his resolve to save the Enterprise/Viridian 3.

The thing that confused me with Kirk/Picard interaction was that he never questioned the uniform, lol.

Kirk had a interruption namely, Picard, to remind him that it wasn't real although he himself knew it wasn't real & initially decided to go with it. The important thing w/ Kirk is HE JUST ARRIVED at the Nexus. If Picard didn't have a ordeal to present to Kirk then he would've never wanted to leave the Nexus. Once Kirk knew that reality needed him to save a world once again & that he, himself, acknowledged the fact that nothing he did in the Nexus really mattered then he was willing to leave with Picard.

The only thing that doesn't make sense of Nexus is its ability to allow its participants to go whenever, wherever they want even if it's in reality, and its ability to somehow interpret the desires of whoever is inside.

[–] simian_ninja 8 years ago

"I'm from the future."

"Why are your clothes different?"

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[–] PatrickGSR94 8 years ago

I think the Nexus and the ribbon is something of a MacGuffin plot device. The writers wanted a way for Kirk and Picard both to have screen time together. The Nexus served as a way to make that happen.

[–] mikeyg24 8 years ago

You don't say?

We have to show the world that not all of us are like him: Henning von Tresckow.

[–] PatrickGSR94 8 years ago

Oh, but I do say. ?

[–] greg-taitt1981 8 years ago

Guinan never says to Picard "no one can leave the nexus"

She tells him that he wouldn't want to leave if he ended up in the nexus because of how happy he would be.

[–] tttl4077 8 years ago

All I know is that Kirk could have still been alive in the Nexus. It was his Whoopi-like double that was killed!