1) I mean there was no possible way he could've caused or stopped the stampede, it wasn't his fault.
2) There no possible way that Mufasa being unable to save himself was Simba's fault.
3) Little Simba's roar sounded like a frightened house cat, it wasn't intense enough to scare the Wilderneasts.
Simba thought his little roar caused the stampede. He didn't see Scar throw Mufasa off the cliff. He's a kid so Scar easily manipulated him into believing it was all his fault.
shareThat's what I was thinking. The stampede occurred right on cue when his roar echoed.
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The Hyenas were the main cause of the stampede.
shareWhat fan theories? He was a little kid whose father had just died and his uncle was a manipulative bastard who fed him a horrible lie that, in his grieved state, he bought wholesale. You wouldn't believe the things that were beyond anyone's control I've seen people beat themselves up over. Trauma is a deep well of anguish, often very irrational. Actually study psychology before you think you know how someone should feel.
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We've had this discussion before, in great detail I might add. I'm not willing to do it again, we both have our views and we both know we won't convince each other of anything.
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You were wrong back then, too. You can play the opinion card all you want, but I think you're just looking for reasons to hate The Lion King. People on the internet are literally the only ones I've ever met who have a problem with how Simba handled his father's death. Heh, I've seen people handle loss WAY worse and with less rationale than he did. It takes a certain amount of arrogance to assume you know how someone would react to loss better than those who have actually experienced it. Just saying.
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf
Like I said, I don't want this discussion again but I agree I probably shouldn't have posted in this topic in the first place. I will say again though, contrary to popular belief, I don't hate The Lion King. I've rated it a respectable 7/10 and like more things in the film than I don't. I will never consider it a masterpiece, but yes, I'm allowed to have my own opinions just like you and anyone else.
Update: I deleted my first post in this topic, I'm trying to make my image more positive again. That means leaving The Lion King and it's fan base alone.
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You are allowed your opinion, but you really shouldn't make opinions about how someone would react to loss to being with. Coping with personal tragedy is a deep, complex well and everyone reacts differently, especially when they're being fed lies by a trusted adult in a moment of weakness. Psychologists often to handle their patients on a "case by case" basis because there is no single answer or solution.
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I agree with you on that. The mind is a powerful thing. As someone with a mental illness, I know first hand how the brain can *beep* with reality.
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It is because his Uncle Scar convinced him that he was, and plus they were no witness at all they could have stuck up for Simba and said "I saw what you did Scar it was you that killed Mufasa and not Simba". Little Simba had nothing to do with the stampede as it was all planned by Scar.
shareI believe they established there was an echo on his last roar.
His dad died trying to save him. He's going to feel naturally guilty over that in most scenarios. From there Scar blames him and he takes it to heart.
So you have never seen the movie??? Lol
shareI think the bigger question would be, how did his mother think he was guilty? When Scar brought it up, she should have immediately pointed out how ridiculous that idea was. A few questions later, and Scar would not have to confess.
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Well she did say "its not true, tell me it is not true", but either case she was not present of when it happened. As the last scene she would have been in is the scene where Simba and Nala are cubs, and right after Simba has a talk with Scar and he goes to tell Nala about it while she is in the middle of her bath, and she just happened to be there, and she says "and it is time for yours", which of course young Simba doesn't like, so he has it really fast. In less was she also seen among the lioness when Scar delivers the news on Mafasa's death and Simba's "so called" death? But is a good reason of why you would not want to voice a Disney parent, that you are either killed off, or your on the sidelines or of screen for most of the movie.
shareThe issue is with the "Tell me that's not true" part. It doesn't matter if she was there or not. Surely, she doesn't think child Simba deliberately killed his own father. Even if she thought it was an accident that Simba somehow caused, then it is horrible that she would allow Simba to still take the blame.
She's not the only one though. Not one Lioness (looking at you Nala) said, "Hey, wait. That doesn't make sense. What actually happened here?"
I like the movie, but that scene always bugs me.
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One slight flaw with the film is that it isn't explained how the lionesses would believe a tiny cub could bring about the death of an adult lion.
It would take something pretty extraordinary, but Scar never bothers or needs to explain what it is, everyone just automatically believes Simba is somehow guilty.
One slight flaw with the film is that it isn't explained how the lionesses would believe a tiny cub could bring about the death of an adult lion.
It would take something pretty extraordinary, but Scar never bothers or needs to explain what it is, everyone just automatically believes Simba is somehow guilty.
As a cub, I get why he would think he killed his father. But when he saw Mufasa in that vision when his father told him to take his place, that should have been a clear sign that he didn't do it since Mufasa was not blaming him in any way.
Pretty sure if your own father thought you killed him, he wouldn't tell you to take over for him.
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