Charles Wheeler and partners
When they discuss the charges against them the attorney that asks for compassion is asked if he knew that Andy had Aids...as if he WAS dismissed for almost botching the case
shareWhen they discuss the charges against them the attorney that asks for compassion is asked if he knew that Andy had Aids...as if he WAS dismissed for almost botching the case
shareThese are lawyers, they are never going to say out loud (and in a public place to boot) that they knew he had AIDS and that's why they fired him. They set up the whole thing with the missing file to give them a legal reason for termination because they knew they couldn't get rid of him because he was sick.
ROFLMAO. And you base this on....???? Why even watch the film as presented? Just make up your own!
shareThe case that was presented at the trial was one that tried to paint Andrew as incompetent and in over his head from the moment he stepped into the work place. So, I ask you, why did they give him such an important case if they felt he was incompetent? The jury foreman states it pretty clearly that mot people would send in their best worker to do something like that, not someone who they are unsure can handle the job. No, the truth is they wanted to fire him because he had AIDS but they knew they couldn't do that so they had to make him look bad in order to justify it.
shareThat scene certainly painted an interesting picture. Obviously these are the top dogs at the practice, and the ones who fired Andrew. They would have known they held each other in confidence as every legal practice routinely does on a variety of issues. They wouldn't be trying to BS each other like that, especially if they had already conspired to fire him because he was gay or because he had AIDS. Charles seemed legitimately offended that he was being accused of what Andrew was. At first it seems obvious that they fired him for unlawful reasons, but later in the movie it becomes more of a question of whether that was the case. Nothing really adds up in the end, for either side. At least not to me.
shareJoe Miller asked Charles Wheeler if he was gay, to expose try to expose his prejudice, which he did, when he was offended, thus showing he was indeed a bigot.
shareAgree with Doc80. Up until the sudden decision to terminate Andy for "incompetence", they had actually thought highly of Andy's work with the firm. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Andy really was just a mediocre attorney at best; that Wheeler and his friends were telling the truth. If so, then his termination would have been justified. In the field of litigation, incompetence is a firable offense. It's legal to terminate an employee based on that reason. Again, IF that had indeed been the case. But it wasn't. But if it were, would they have allowed him to handle that important case, the Highline complaint? Not to mention made him a senior partner in that firm? Would there have been clients who thought highly of Andy representing them? Would all this have been so if he were a mediocre, incompetent attorney? I don't think so. There would have been complaints about him that gradually built up, leading to the termination...instead of it being sudden like that. And the hallway scene...they were not innocent men who really didn't know he had AIDS. They were just trying to make themselves look that way. That one associate Bob, who they confronted and demanded, "You didn't know he was sick, did you, Bob?!" In context, they were actually threatening him to go along with their story, of looking like employers who did not know of Andy's terminal illness, before terminating him. It was just masks they were putting on. Didn't you hear Charles saying before that, "He brought AIDS into our offices, our men's rooms, to our annual family picnic!" Plus, that one woman who testified that that one Wheeler associate, Walter had treated her similiarly because she had HIV. And when that guy, Jamie, and Charles Wheeler, when they each testified, each of them denied that the termination was based on Andy's terminal illness, and because of supposedly botching that important case. But Andy and Joe knew they were lying. So Joe ambushed them with the "Are you gay?" question, to force their prejudices out into the open, which he successfully did, by the way they reacted. They were proud of their prejudices also. And like that analogy used by the jury foreman: giving an attorney they don't have confidence in, and/or don't trust, one of their most important cases ever, is like sending a rookie fighter pilot who can't "cut it" on a mission into enemy territory in a jet worth millions of dollars, instead of their best, sharpest, top gun pilot.
Exactly. As Denzel's character states in the movie when he is questioning one of his Andy's former clients "A few months ago you described him like filet mignon and now you are saying he was merely a bologna sandwich" or something to that effect.
shareI don´t think that Wheeler´s reaction PROVED that he was a bigot. A lot of men who are not anti-gay would be offended if they were accused of being gay, especially in public. I would be offended it someone asked me while I was on the stand in the court of law if I was retarded, but that wouldn´t mean that I was necessarily bigoted against retarded people.
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