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Why didn't they just bring Tommy back as the bounty hunter?


I mean that would have made so much more sense, instead of bringing in this random black guy in a cowboy hat, named Creighton Duke, that somehow knows everything about Jason even though we've never seen him in any other movie.

Why didn't they just make that character Tommy Jarvis? Who cares if they couldn't get Feldman or Thom Matthews back, just cast some dude in his late 20's with short blonde hair and say he's Tommy.

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I think at the time, when New Line Cinema bought the rights to Jason Voorhees off of Paramount Pictures, Paramount owned the title "Friday the 13th" and EVERY other character besides Jason Voorhees and Pamela Voorhees, which New Line Cinema bought. Plus, the production of this movie was VERY complicated. Let me give you a bit of a lesson, from what I've heard at least.

At the time, New Line just wanted a traditional Friday the 13th movie, with Jason in it.

Producer Sean Cunningham, the series creator mind you, absent for a majority of the franchise since the original film, did not care if the film had any ties with any of the other movies, except the first one and parts of Part 2. He didn't even care if Jason was in it or not, as long as the hockey mask was somehow taken out of the picture. Class act, huh?

Director Adam Marcus and the original writer, Jay Huguely, wrote this movie originally as a sequel to Part VII: The New Blood, ignoring the events of Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan, and it was supposed to be about Jason's brother, Elias, who consumes Jason's heart for some fricking reason, after Jason's body washes to the shore of Crystal Lake after his fight with Tina in Part VII.

Somewhere mid-production, after New Line discovered that more than half the film was NOT a Jason flick, New Line forced Cunningham to bring in a new screenwriter, Dean Lorey, to rewrite the script in FOUR DAYS and have Jason in it in some capacity.

New Line also arranged for re-shoots to be done, blaming it on Marcus for supposedly not checking the footage as he was filming it, and Sean for telling Adam to film the entire movie in 22 frames rather than the traditional 24 frames, making the film short of 80 minutes. Supposedly, these claims were to cover up the fact that more that 60 minutes of the shot footage was from the original NON-Jason script.

While being interviewed by Fangoria magazine, Dean Lorey or some other crew member supposedly told Fangoria that this movie took place in a universe in which the previous 8 movies were fictional films based on the real life murders of Jason Voorhees, and the Jason in this movie was the REAL Jason.

And when the film finally came out on opening day, theaters were supposedly handing out comics supplied by New Line that bridged the gap between Part VIII and this movie.

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Wow lol that sounds like a huge cluster fuck of a mess behind the scenes, but it does explain the absence of reference of any of the previous movies and characters in them.

If the previous movies was supposed to be films within this movies universe based on the real killings of Jason, then they should have made that known, like have someone in the movie mention the films, or show like movie posters at the diner, something.

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Yeah, if the people making it could decide on how it'll fit in the previous films, or more or less given a fuck whatsoever to figure this out BEFORE production. All Sean, the series creator, cared about was making the Freddy vs. Jason crossover, and only made this and Jason X as a way to keep audiences interested and keep Jason in the public eye. Honestly, it would have been best to have left Jason at the end of Part VIII, then go straight to the crossover. Makes as much sense as anything else that happens between Part VIII and the crossover, although I have a soft spot for Jason X.

Also, there was a deleted scene (according to Director's commentary) in which Creighton Duke explains his background to Jessica before he falls through the trap door near the end. Basically, somewhere in between the previous movies (I don't think it's specified how long ago this supposed event happened, nor do I think it mentions between which film this occurs, nor do I think there was any intention of knowing if it connects at all with the previous films), but Creighton and his girlfriend at the time were having a romantic evening on a boat on Crystal Lake, when Jason popped out of the water, grabbed Creighton's girlfriend, and pulled her into the water to her death. I guess Creighton must have been MADLY in love with her, since he not only manages to identify Jason Voorhees as the killer, but also manages to track down Jason's family history and the fricking Kandarian dagger from Evil Dead II to know EVERYTHING about him, and becomes a bounty hunter because of this.

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The one part where Duke handcuff's Jason and says "Son of a bitch remember me!?" lol i'm like no, we've never saw you interact with Jason at all, nor did we get any story of you coming in contact with Jason in any way. Yet we're supposed to be excited Duke is finally face to face with Jason and saying "Remember me?" maybe that line of dialogue would mean more if we got a flashback of Duke's past interacting with Jason.

Its like we're just supposed to accept that this guy out of the blue has history with Jason and has all the info on how to kill him.

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"The one part where Duke handcuff's Jason and says "Son of a bitch remember me!?" lol i'm like no, we've never saw you interact with Jason at all"

Yes! Exactly this 😂 I rewatched it just now and when that part happened I was like, is Jason as confused as I am, because literally no one knows you! And that's when I thought exactly what the OP was wondering, like why wasn't that Tommy Jarvis. That would have been a *gasp* moment. But no Creighton, he does not remember you lol

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interesting concept

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He was the son of that biker dude from part 3 who got his arm chopped off in the barn

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No, he had no connection with that dude. You're just grasping at straws because they're both black.

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Noooooo. Please don’t reply to Millsey. Now he’s laughing at you for taking his post seriously.

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I'm laughing at you more

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Laugh at your ignorance and stupidity. Nothing in the movie nor the script even acknowledges a relation between the two. So where are you getting your info from? Oh yeah, NOTHING. Just trying to tie two black people together. Pitiful.

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Rights issue. Adam Marcus wanted to use the character but New Line only owned rights to use Jason and material from the first movie. Nothing from the sequels could be utilized. They couldn't even use the Friday the 13th title for some reason which I didn't mind because that gotten old by this point anyway. Part 8 showed how stale things gotten that they got rid of the traditional F13 credit sequence that we seen in 1-2, 4-7 and took us out of Crystal Lake. Part 9 needed to continue this trend and it was almost the mid-1990s, a new era, so much change was needed to keep things fresh for the series while the goal was to account for why certain things in those previous movies happened like Jason's superhuman immortality seen in Part 4 and his rather blunt resurrection Frankenstein's monster style in Part 6.

But it's rather a bust on New Line's end to even have the F13 rights and can't make reference or carry over from like 90% of the movies preceding. Paramount was best keeping those rights.

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This movie was retarded that's why lol.

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