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This is basically the type of society the far left wants.


It's like a hyper secular humanist utopia.

Only thing that wouldn't make sense is no sex.
They'd never give that up.

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I agree only on cigarettes illegal. This is not what the founding fathers or forefathers would want. There's July 4, 1776. Law and order must leave room for individual freedom.

With any parts of the US or the entire nation oppressed there's not point of the Star Spangled Banner or pledge allegiance to the flag. No point of even those Patriotic songs or American songs like Star and Stripes Forever or America the Beautiful or My Country Tis a Thee.

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And 1984 is the kind of society the far right wants, yeah?

You must be an idiot.

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1950s actually.

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And 1984 is the kind of society the far right wants, yeah?


You obviously havent a clue. Demolition Man and 1984 are pretty much the same society. You're essentially unable to think for yourself in both societies and when you do, you're labeled a criminal.

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As a socialist, this is NOT what I want. I have never met any socialists who want a society like this.

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It amazes me how some people can watch a fictional movie & think about politics...

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Since when does the left believe in government by theocracy?

Why would they never give up sex?





Is this to be an empathy test?

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I was watching it tonight and thought the same thing. Especially the scene in the sewers where Denis Leary's character went on the rant about things he wants to be able to do without the government's overreach. Some of those things are things liberals are already trying to regulate. Socialist claim this is not what they want but weather they realize it or not this is the results from them getting the things that they ask for. Like it or not it's hard not to have one without the other.

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about things he wants to be able to do without the government's overreach




are you HONESTLY comparing the overreach in this movie to the stuff D's wish to regulate, like gun sales, GMOS, etc? If so, you're a fool.

In this movie, the biggest overreach is the sheer regulation on human behavior, which is something the right wing fundamentalists adhere to all the time (no sex with their abstinence only preaching...listen to certain kinds of music, among others. Both of those are preached by social conservatives all the time). You will also find liberals far more likely to condemn the Patriot Act (which this movie has in spades) than conservatives

Also, learn how to spell and write coherently. Your last two sentences make as much sense as Charlie Sheen from early 2011.


When God made Tom Cruise, he was only joking.

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So the left wants no sex, no physical contact, no abortion, no smoking, no drugs, no alcohol, no cursing, no salty or sweet foods, no meat (last I checked people on the left still ate meat), or no uneducational forms of entertainment (movies, tv, etc.)?

You must have been clueless as to what you watched if you think this movie was about left or right politics. It had to do with an authoritarian society that removed individual choice and thought. But you probably can't tell the difference between that and what you think are "leftist" beliefs.

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I grew up in Greenwich Village at the time. I worked in a video store. I saw the rich yuppies and neo-hippies that came there and lived there and I can say that this movie was largely ridiculing a lot of that type of crowd. Not all of it fits into a right or left narrative, but almost all of it did when this movie came out.

The movie satirizes a lot, including movies themselves along the lines that Stallone would make.

Perhaps, when Brave New World came out a utopia was a product of the right, but ever since 1984 came out, utopias are products of the left. The right knows that utopias are just that--nowhere.

Stallone is generally right-leaning. It's not likely that he didn't pick up on this when he read the script.

The early 90's popularized the "no means no" theme. Antioch College instituted a policy where students were supposed to get permission at every step of the way, otherwise it's date rape. Even SNL made fun of it. 20 years later, it's now signed into law in NYS for it's state schools, but they had no way of knowing this would happen in 1993.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/11/opinion/ask-first-at-antioch.html

The SNL transcript:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93bdaterape.phtml

Well, if you have a device be the surrogate for sex, you don't even have that problem. There's no disease, just bliss.

Anti-abortion is largely of the right, but since there isn't anyway people can get accidentally pregnant, then abortion being illegal is a moot point since in this society, there would be no utility to abortion.

It's pretty clear that the food restrictionists are on the left, whether it is organic, locovores, veganism, etc.

Speech codes are more of the left than right, lest we offend a certain group or something.

The call to make everything like PBS was more on the left than the right.

Even the anti-violence is more on the left than the right. What side would be the side singing "give peace a chance." Fine. Give peace a chance but what happens when that guy actually is a rapist and not just some kid who failed to ask if he could kiss a girl on the neck and he's coming for you. A bullet to the head might do the would-be rapist some good.

Giving peace a chance is fine when the other guy will give peace a chance but what happens when he doesn't?

It's pretty fair to say that this movie was mocking the left as it is pretty fair to say that Robocop was mocking what it perceived to be the right.

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I think you're just seeing things in this movie that you believe people on the left would agree with and using that to confirm your own bias.

I don't know what you mean by utopias being a product of the left. People on all sides have their opinions and ideas on how to make life better or make a country better. That doesn't mean they're trying to create some utopia. I haven't seen anyone on the left come out with some kind of "manifesto" on how to create the perfect society. If anything it's the religious people who do that. If you've read 1984 you'll know it was about removal of individual freedom and choice, and how torture and mass surveillance were commonplace. Which administration started with the torture and mass spying in the U.S.? Oh right the Bush administration. I guess they were looking to create a utopia. See I can play that game too if I wanted.

What do Stallone's political beliefs have to do with his acting? Are you implying he only plays roles that coincide with his way of thinking? Because that would obviously be untrue.

I don't know what that "no means no" comment has to do with this movie. Also, using SNL as an example is not a very persuasive argument since they're a comedy sketch show that makes fun of everything and everybody. More importantly, why is this a bad thing? Are there people on the right that are fighting for "no means yes" or "no means maybe"?

No person, regardless of their politics, would prefer using that device for sex compared to the real thing. That's just silly.

I don't think it's a moot point that abortion is illegal in this movie. It further establishes the control this authoritarian society has over everyone, including over a woman's reproduction. By the way, in case you didn't know abortion is not just for accidental pregnancies. There are plenty of legitimate medical reasons to get an abortion and if someone you cared about had a life threatening pregnancy you'd be grateful they were able to get one.

There's a huge difference between choosing to eat vegetarian or organic, and banning all meat, chocolate, spicy and salty foods, etc. Just because people on the left might be more concerned about the quality of our food does not mean they want to make it illegal to eat them. Considering how the most obese and unhealthiest states in the U.S. are primarily conservative states I think the right should be concerned too since their poorer health leads to higher healthcare costs for everyone else.

I always associated speech censorship with conservatives and christians. They always want to censor or curtail speech from tv, movies, radio. They wanna ban video games and music. They ban free expression such as flag burning (regardless of whether you agree with it or not). Religious people have always wanted to regulate what you say and think. Maybe the left is concerned with speech etiquette and what's politically correct, but the right are the ones that make it illegal.

Take the current issue with the Confederate flag being removed in South Carolina. You probably wanna blame the left for that. Except it was the South Carolina state senate, which is predominantly Republican, that voted to have it removed. There were many vocal Republicans, including the So. Carolina governor, who were calling for it to be taken down.

I don't know what the PBS thing is or what you're talking about regarding anti-violence or rape. People on the left are not against self-defense.

I've said more than I cared to. If you thought this movie was about left or right then you're probably someone who politicizes every little thing and can't see the bigger picture. This is reinforced by your opinion of Robocop which I never once thought of as mocking the right or any group. I thought it was about a soulless corporation trying to take over everything and a tragic man turned machine turned man again ultimately fighting against it; an over the top ultraviolent film with a heavy dose of satire on American culture.

Maybe you should take it easy on the politics. It's making you see things that aren't there.

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Just want to indicate that the world presented in Demolition Man is what Progressives want. Liberals are much like Denis Leary's character.

See the video for a good explanation. Beware Progressives and Collectivists, this is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0mPfR-K2U

Oh, regarding the scene involving virtual sex, consider what Feminism is doing regarding male sexuality and how Feminists think men are or should approach women. Also keep in mind "Yes Means Yes." That scene doesn't look too far off the mark as to where we're headed.

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consider what Feminism is doing regarding male sexuality




I'm curious where you get that women wanting to be seen on every equal playing field as a man (politically, socially, economically, legally) is synonymous with undercutting a man's sexuality. Contrary to your naive and baseless conjecture, feminists enjoy sex as well, can get laid, go out on dates, etc. It has zip to do with man hating or emasculating men


When God made Tom Cruise, he was only joking.

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I'm curious where you get that women wanting to be seen on every equal playing field as a man (politically, socially, economically, legally) is synonymous with undercutting a man's sexuality. Contrary to your naive and baseless conjecture, feminists enjoy sex as well, can get laid, go out on dates, etc. It has zip to do with man hating or emasculating men


Just saw this and I will say only this: you have not thought long enough nor hard enough about what you're ridiculing. You don't care about what's said by Feminists about how they want women to be equal and the actions they actually take to see their ideals come to fruition. Nor do you care about where Feminists focus their energies when it comes to that ideal of equality. You don't care about what is ignored to what is favored and you don't care about why. You also ignore the Feminists that do state outright that they do hate men. I have not seen one Feminist address those man-hating Feminists on their own. They have to have it pointed out to them first before they discuss it. So it's pretty pointless getting into a discussion with you given all I've said here.

And your quip about my naivete is ironic given it is projection and pure conjecture.

You have a good day.

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yeah,progressives are the tea party of the left. they're the authoritarian left.

there's a brewing war between progressives and liberals.

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Stallone is generally right-leaning. It's not likely that he didn't pick up on this when he read the script.


As if Stallone solely looked at the script for political inclusions. He likely viewed it with the question, "does this seem interesting and does it work?" rather than say "it MUST be pro right wing or else I'm out!"

I saw the rich yuppies and neo-hippies that came there and lived there and I can say that this movie was largely ridiculing a lot of that type of crowd.


As much as I can't stand yuppies and can be annoyed by hippies, I don't know of a single person in either crowd who opposes recreational sex, all out prohibitions on unhealthy foods and drinks or oppose physical contact.

I also highly doubt you could pinpoint these people's politics. I grew up in a yuppy town that is fairly conservative, after all

Perhaps, when Brave New World came out a utopia was a product of the right, but ever since 1984 came out, utopias are products of the left. The right knows that utopias are just that--nowhere.


This movie is about authoritarianism and a dystopia, not a utopia. The fact the San Angeles populace believed they were in a utopia did not detract from the central message that Cocteau (sp?) was putting on a sham.

Liberals also know utopias are impossible to achieve.

The early 90's popularized the "no means no" theme. Antioch College instituted a policy where students were supposed to get permission at every step of the way, otherwise it's date rape.


...you really are a riot. I bet you also believe the moon landing was faked and that Darwin was wrong.

Anti-abortion is largely of the right, but since there isn't anyway people can get accidentally pregnant


Yes there is. It's called condoms breaking...people also often get pregnant while having drunken sex.

On another note, contraception is also not as readily available as people believe.

then abortion being illegal is a moot point since in this society


It absolutely is not moot. It must remain legal for many reasons

t's pretty clear that the food restrictionists are on the left, whether it is organic, locovores, veganism, etc.


You really are dense, aren't you? This is all SELF regulation, not govt. regulation. Can you comprehend the difference? I've never had a pro organic or pro vegan person impose their views on me or demand that the govt. strictly pass legislation catering to just their trends.

Speech codes are more of the left than right, lest we offend a certain group or something.


Funny, I've never heard of a govt. passing laws only allowing PC speech. I've also encountered MANY Republicans who are vociferously about political correctness in at least one regard. I also know numerous Democrats who abhor PC talk.

The call to make everything like PBS was more on the left than the right.


That's interesting, considering how it appears to be just televangelists who want indecency banned from the airwaves. I don't know of a single televangelist or prominent evangelical who ascribes to liberal orthodoxy.

Even the anti-violence is more on the left than the right. What side would be the side singing "give peace a chance." Fine. Give peace a chance but what happens when that guy actually is a rapist and not just some kid who failed to ask if he could kiss a girl on the neck and he's coming for you. A bullet to the head might do the would-be rapist some good.


Here we go again with the "liberals want to ban all guns!!!!" (got that tin foil hat on right now? *snort*) when in reality what they want are basic common sense guidelines imposed (only sell guns to people with permits, ensure they're not a step away from Bellevue, limit ammunition clips, background checks for online sales and at gun shows, banning weapons of war which don't belong in a domestic society), not all arms barred.

It's pretty fair to say that this movie was mocking the left


nahh, the film was condemning the vision Orwell's "1984" germinated...and liberals are far more likely than conservatives to denounce massive surveillance. After all, the Patriot Act really is a stepping stone to moderating human behavior like was seen in Demolition Man. Aside from Rand Paul and perhaps one other Republican (although Rand isn't a great spokesperson on that issue due to how big a lunatic he is on virtually everything else), there aren't any anti Patriot Act people there. Meanwhile, the left has Jon Tester, numerous members of the House, Bernie Sanders, heck even hawkish Hillary Clinton has a consistent record on limiting surveillance.

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Sure they would *snort*

I don't see the ultra left endorsing surveillance measures like the Patriot Act (which this movie has on steroids) or banning meat, sugar, caffeine, etc. (the only thing they have advocated for banning is corn syrup. That's a far cry from all the ingredients San Angeles prohibits) or sex (if anything, the ultra right's obsession with sex scandals, like Lewinsky, and their blind obedience to the Patriot Act makes this more THEIR vision. When you say "the ultra left would never give up sex", if you're referring to any Democrats caught in sex scandals, NOT ONE of them was far left, especially not Bill Clinton. Heck, Slick Willie was more conservative than Republican Dwight Eisenhower)

It's actually sad that there are those of here who want to discuss this movie and instead there are people like you who have to inject ludicrous political threads and bog down potentially intriguing dialogues

When God made Tom Cruise, he was only joking.

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