This is basically the type of society the far left wants.
It's like a hyper secular humanist utopia.
Only thing that wouldn't make sense is no sex.
They'd never give that up.
It's like a hyper secular humanist utopia.
Only thing that wouldn't make sense is no sex.
They'd never give that up.
I agree only on cigarettes illegal. This is not what the founding fathers or forefathers would want. There's July 4, 1776. Law and order must leave room for individual freedom.
With any parts of the US or the entire nation oppressed there's not point of the Star Spangled Banner or pledge allegiance to the flag. No point of even those Patriotic songs or American songs like Star and Stripes Forever or America the Beautiful or My Country Tis a Thee.
And 1984 is the kind of society the far right wants, yeah?
You must be an idiot.
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1950s actually.
shareAnd 1984 is the kind of society the far right wants, yeah?
As a socialist, this is NOT what I want. I have never met any socialists who want a society like this.
shareIt amazes me how some people can watch a fictional movie & think about politics...
shareSince when does the left believe in government by theocracy?
Why would they never give up sex?
Is this to be an empathy test?
I was watching it tonight and thought the same thing. Especially the scene in the sewers where Denis Leary's character went on the rant about things he wants to be able to do without the government's overreach. Some of those things are things liberals are already trying to regulate. Socialist claim this is not what they want but weather they realize it or not this is the results from them getting the things that they ask for. Like it or not it's hard not to have one without the other.
shareabout things he wants to be able to do without the government's overreach
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So the left wants no sex, no physical contact, no abortion, no smoking, no drugs, no alcohol, no cursing, no salty or sweet foods, no meat (last I checked people on the left still ate meat), or no uneducational forms of entertainment (movies, tv, etc.)?
You must have been clueless as to what you watched if you think this movie was about left or right politics. It had to do with an authoritarian society that removed individual choice and thought. But you probably can't tell the difference between that and what you think are "leftist" beliefs.
I grew up in Greenwich Village at the time. I worked in a video store. I saw the rich yuppies and neo-hippies that came there and lived there and I can say that this movie was largely ridiculing a lot of that type of crowd. Not all of it fits into a right or left narrative, but almost all of it did when this movie came out.
The movie satirizes a lot, including movies themselves along the lines that Stallone would make.
Perhaps, when Brave New World came out a utopia was a product of the right, but ever since 1984 came out, utopias are products of the left. The right knows that utopias are just that--nowhere.
Stallone is generally right-leaning. It's not likely that he didn't pick up on this when he read the script.
The early 90's popularized the "no means no" theme. Antioch College instituted a policy where students were supposed to get permission at every step of the way, otherwise it's date rape. Even SNL made fun of it. 20 years later, it's now signed into law in NYS for it's state schools, but they had no way of knowing this would happen in 1993.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/11/opinion/ask-first-at-antioch.html
The SNL transcript:
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93bdaterape.phtml
Well, if you have a device be the surrogate for sex, you don't even have that problem. There's no disease, just bliss.
Anti-abortion is largely of the right, but since there isn't anyway people can get accidentally pregnant, then abortion being illegal is a moot point since in this society, there would be no utility to abortion.
It's pretty clear that the food restrictionists are on the left, whether it is organic, locovores, veganism, etc.
Speech codes are more of the left than right, lest we offend a certain group or something.
The call to make everything like PBS was more on the left than the right.
Even the anti-violence is more on the left than the right. What side would be the side singing "give peace a chance." Fine. Give peace a chance but what happens when that guy actually is a rapist and not just some kid who failed to ask if he could kiss a girl on the neck and he's coming for you. A bullet to the head might do the would-be rapist some good.
Giving peace a chance is fine when the other guy will give peace a chance but what happens when he doesn't?
It's pretty fair to say that this movie was mocking the left as it is pretty fair to say that Robocop was mocking what it perceived to be the right.
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I think you're just seeing things in this movie that you believe people on the left would agree with and using that to confirm your own bias.
I don't know what you mean by utopias being a product of the left. People on all sides have their opinions and ideas on how to make life better or make a country better. That doesn't mean they're trying to create some utopia. I haven't seen anyone on the left come out with some kind of "manifesto" on how to create the perfect society. If anything it's the religious people who do that. If you've read 1984 you'll know it was about removal of individual freedom and choice, and how torture and mass surveillance were commonplace. Which administration started with the torture and mass spying in the U.S.? Oh right the Bush administration. I guess they were looking to create a utopia. See I can play that game too if I wanted.
What do Stallone's political beliefs have to do with his acting? Are you implying he only plays roles that coincide with his way of thinking? Because that would obviously be untrue.
I don't know what that "no means no" comment has to do with this movie. Also, using SNL as an example is not a very persuasive argument since they're a comedy sketch show that makes fun of everything and everybody. More importantly, why is this a bad thing? Are there people on the right that are fighting for "no means yes" or "no means maybe"?
No person, regardless of their politics, would prefer using that device for sex compared to the real thing. That's just silly.
I don't think it's a moot point that abortion is illegal in this movie. It further establishes the control this authoritarian society has over everyone, including over a woman's reproduction. By the way, in case you didn't know abortion is not just for accidental pregnancies. There are plenty of legitimate medical reasons to get an abortion and if someone you cared about had a life threatening pregnancy you'd be grateful they were able to get one.
There's a huge difference between choosing to eat vegetarian or organic, and banning all meat, chocolate, spicy and salty foods, etc. Just because people on the left might be more concerned about the quality of our food does not mean they want to make it illegal to eat them. Considering how the most obese and unhealthiest states in the U.S. are primarily conservative states I think the right should be concerned too since their poorer health leads to higher healthcare costs for everyone else.
I always associated speech censorship with conservatives and christians. They always want to censor or curtail speech from tv, movies, radio. They wanna ban video games and music. They ban free expression such as flag burning (regardless of whether you agree with it or not). Religious people have always wanted to regulate what you say and think. Maybe the left is concerned with speech etiquette and what's politically correct, but the right are the ones that make it illegal.
Take the current issue with the Confederate flag being removed in South Carolina. You probably wanna blame the left for that. Except it was the South Carolina state senate, which is predominantly Republican, that voted to have it removed. There were many vocal Republicans, including the So. Carolina governor, who were calling for it to be taken down.
I don't know what the PBS thing is or what you're talking about regarding anti-violence or rape. People on the left are not against self-defense.
I've said more than I cared to. If you thought this movie was about left or right then you're probably someone who politicizes every little thing and can't see the bigger picture. This is reinforced by your opinion of Robocop which I never once thought of as mocking the right or any group. I thought it was about a soulless corporation trying to take over everything and a tragic man turned machine turned man again ultimately fighting against it; an over the top ultraviolent film with a heavy dose of satire on American culture.
Maybe you should take it easy on the politics. It's making you see things that aren't there.
Just want to indicate that the world presented in Demolition Man is what Progressives want. Liberals are much like Denis Leary's character.
See the video for a good explanation. Beware Progressives and Collectivists, this is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0mPfR-K2U
Oh, regarding the scene involving virtual sex, consider what Feminism is doing regarding male sexuality and how Feminists think men are or should approach women. Also keep in mind "Yes Means Yes." That scene doesn't look too far off the mark as to where we're headed.
consider what Feminism is doing regarding male sexuality
I'm curious where you get that women wanting to be seen on every equal playing field as a man (politically, socially, economically, legally) is synonymous with undercutting a man's sexuality. Contrary to your naive and baseless conjecture, feminists enjoy sex as well, can get laid, go out on dates, etc. It has zip to do with man hating or emasculating men
yeah,progressives are the tea party of the left. they're the authoritarian left.
there's a brewing war between progressives and liberals.
Stallone is generally right-leaning. It's not likely that he didn't pick up on this when he read the script.
I saw the rich yuppies and neo-hippies that came there and lived there and I can say that this movie was largely ridiculing a lot of that type of crowd.
Perhaps, when Brave New World came out a utopia was a product of the right, but ever since 1984 came out, utopias are products of the left. The right knows that utopias are just that--nowhere.
The early 90's popularized the "no means no" theme. Antioch College instituted a policy where students were supposed to get permission at every step of the way, otherwise it's date rape.
Anti-abortion is largely of the right, but since there isn't anyway people can get accidentally pregnant
then abortion being illegal is a moot point since in this society
t's pretty clear that the food restrictionists are on the left, whether it is organic, locovores, veganism, etc.
Speech codes are more of the left than right, lest we offend a certain group or something.
The call to make everything like PBS was more on the left than the right.
Even the anti-violence is more on the left than the right. What side would be the side singing "give peace a chance." Fine. Give peace a chance but what happens when that guy actually is a rapist and not just some kid who failed to ask if he could kiss a girl on the neck and he's coming for you. A bullet to the head might do the would-be rapist some good.
It's pretty fair to say that this movie was mocking the left
Sure they would *snort*
I don't see the ultra left endorsing surveillance measures like the Patriot Act (which this movie has on steroids) or banning meat, sugar, caffeine, etc. (the only thing they have advocated for banning is corn syrup. That's a far cry from all the ingredients San Angeles prohibits) or sex (if anything, the ultra right's obsession with sex scandals, like Lewinsky, and their blind obedience to the Patriot Act makes this more THEIR vision. When you say "the ultra left would never give up sex", if you're referring to any Democrats caught in sex scandals, NOT ONE of them was far left, especially not Bill Clinton. Heck, Slick Willie was more conservative than Republican Dwight Eisenhower)
It's actually sad that there are those of here who want to discuss this movie and instead there are people like you who have to inject ludicrous political threads and bog down potentially intriguing dialogues
When God made Tom Cruise, he was only joking.