Ok looks like the creator has become this show's worst enemy.... - The X Files (1993) Discussion

[–] panzermeyer44 8 years ago

Even the "I Want to Believe" film which was mostly a stand-alone story wasn't very good and that was written and directed by Carter as well. I think it's safe to say that he is well past his prime creatively.

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[–] BanzaiTron 8 years ago

Absolutely! Words just can't describe how disappointed I was with 'IWTB'. I watched it in the cinema back '08 and throughout it, I was thinking to myself is this best Carter can deliver?

In contrast, Fight the Future is still great. Got it on Bluray recently, and surprisingly it still holds up.

Its wishful thinking that if Season 11 is a go, he gets booted for a better show runner, but one can always hope.

This will be the only comment or reply you'll get. Like I give a sh!t about YOUR interwebz opinion.

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[–] fabiovasconcllos 8 years ago

he still is a good writer in my opinion,and i enjoyed I Want To Believe, nothing wrong with that movie.

ERETH TUO SI HTURT EHT

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[–] Wookieebitch 8 years ago

I enjoyed IWTB as well. The revival was good television. Certainly better than most that gets on the air nowadays.

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[–] panzermeyer44 8 years ago

IWTB was essentially a 2 part tv episode that could have easily been part of season 10. For a theatrical release it was way too uninspired and small scale.

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

I'm sorry, but when I start seeing hyperbolic phrases like "absolute mess", "totally unworthy", and "words just can't describe how disappointed I was"....about a movie, the first phrase that comes to mind for me is "drama queen".

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[–] ThreeZs 8 years ago

WTT,

"Totally unworthy" reminds me of the old SNL skit Wayne's World: "We're unworthy! We're unworthy!" LOL.

Apparently, Rushmoras doesn't know that you generally speak/write in complex sentences. It's not for effect whatsoever. I think it's just part of who you are, and your words challenge me in the best of ways :) You make me think.

I adored IWTB, but I'm in the minority. It was lush and slow-moving river---mesmerizing and deep. Kind of like some of the scenes from Snow Falling on Cedars.

Dearly Beloved, We are gathered here today to get through this thing called life. Prince RIP

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

by ThreeZs >> WTT,

"Totally unworthy" reminds me of the old SNL skit Wayne's World: "We're unworthy! We're unworthy!" LOL.

I personally don't think Wayne or Garth would resort to such statements about IWTB even if they were of the opinion that it didn't meet the expectations of some X-Files fans. An XF-IWTB critic resorting to such hyperbole would more than likely be met with, "Asphincter says what?" 

by ThreeZs >> Apparently, Rushmoras doesn't know that you generally speak/write in complex sentences. It's not for effect whatsoever. I think it's just part of who you are, and your words challenge me in the best of ways :) You make me think.

My writing apparently affected rushmoras, because before I knew it, he was coming up with the following types of gems...while accusing me of trying to portray myself as a Yale type professor.

But your statement presupposed that the creators had an obligation to make a movie purely based on discussions about past events, which is in itself lacks merit, especially having regard to the fact on how Season Nine of the X-Files ended. None of the events depicted in the later seasons of the X-Files were addressed in that movie as if they never happened. Thus, this obligation driven statement lacks merit. What more need be said about this absurd notion that the creators HAD to make a discussion driven movie?

First of all, when did I ever suggest such an "obligation to make a movie purely based on discussions about past events"?

I was talking generally about the types of "subject matters" and "abstract concepts" TXF covered during the series, and covered again in IWTB.

And second; seriously? Yale? Anyone who knows anything about the X-Files at all knows it's Oxford all the way! 

by ThreeZs >>I adored IWTB, but I'm in the minority. It was lush and slow-moving river---mesmerizing and deep. Kind of like some of the scenes from Snow Falling on Cedars.

After hearing complaints for years that the later seasons didn't have the same overall atmosphere after the move to LA and that the story-line had become too convoluted, you'd think more would have appreciated the nod to the early years by filming IWTB back in Vancouver and making it a simple MOTW. It seems some just always want something to act snooty about...like they're fake french waiters or something who could have ordered off the menu SO much better.

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[–] ThreeZs 8 years ago

I personally don't think Wayne or Garth would resort to such statements about IWTB even if they were of the opinion that it didn't meet the expectations of some X-Files fans. An XF-IWTB critic resorting to such hyperbole would more than likely be met with, "Asphincter says what?"

That response was perfecto! Wayne and Garth were positive dudes, jazzed about the world and their place in it.

And second; seriously? Yale? Anyone who knows anything about the X-Files at all knows it's Oxford all the way!

LOL, Oxford, indeedy.

It seems some just always want something to act snooty about...like they're fake french waiters or something who could have ordered off the menu SO much better.

LMAO! You are on a roll.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

I Want to Believe in my opinion would have been a good separate TV episode fro the closing of X-Files or for something, but it really was not deserving to end up on the big screens in my opinion.

For me the movie was really really really boring, there was no X-Files apart from the paedophile turned priest who saw "visions", the action only came towards the end of the movie and then for like 10 min., and the whole movie was about existential crisis of weather or not the kid with some terminal disease needs saving by medical science. Yeah... I did not like it one bit.

In vino veritas

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[–] fabiovasconcllos 8 years ago

I Want to Believe in my opinion would have been a good separate TV episode fro the closing of X-Files or for something, but it really was not deserving to end up on the big screens in my opinion.

please give me a break,the movie's budget was 30 million dollars and very well produced,stop treating it as if it were an independent film,is not a high budget movie,but it served its purpose,a personal look into the characters.

For me the movie was really really really boring, there was no X-Files apart from the paedophile turned priest who saw "visions", the action only came towards the end of the movie and then for like 10 min., and the whole movie was about existential crisis of weather or not the kid with some terminal disease needs saving by medical science. Yeah... I did not like it one bit.

since when X files is about action, next time, give me a better explanation, beyond your own dissatisfaction with the film

ERETH TUO SI HTURT EHT

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

please give me a break,the movie's budget was 30 million dollars and very well produced,stop treating it as if it were an independent film,is not a high budget movie,but it served its purpose,a personal look into the characters.

It could have had a budget of 1 billion for all I care. The movie was poorly executed, the characters were unrelatable, the scenario was weak, the main antagonist was absurd.

If you liked it, cudos, not everyone liked it.

since when X files is about action, next time, give me a better explanation, beyond your own dissatisfaction with the film

I guess since Season One. Or, what, you think that Mulder and Scully talked for like 42 minutes per episode? Because that's what they do in this movie. Nothing happens for an hour and ten minutes. It should have been titled: X-Files: Mulder and Scully's unfinished relationship drama, which should have been finished by adding two more episodes to the end of Season Nine, but didn't.

In vino veritas

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[–] fabiovasconcllos 8 years ago

I guess since Season One. Or, what, you think that Mulder and Scully talked for like 42 minutes per episode? Because that's what they do in this movie. Nothing happens for an hour and ten minutes. It should have been titled: X-Files: Mulder and Scully's unfinished relationship drama, which should have been finished by adding two more episodes to the end of Season Nine, but didn't.

sorry but this last part is too ridiculous for a properly answer

since when X files is about action, next time, give me a better explanation, beyond your own dissatisfaction with the film ?????????

really!,is not a hard question,and i done here,goodbye to you.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

You asked, and I answered. Not my fault, that you don't agree or can't understand.

In vino veritas

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

by rushmoras >> You asked, and I answered. Not my fault, that you don't agree or can't understand.

Do YOU understand that due to the very nature of the subject matters and abstract concepts the X-Files investigated over the years, the series HAD to be mostly discussion based?

That your main complaint seemed to be that Mulder and Scully talked too much leaves a person with any knowledge of TXF at all to agree that your reason for disliking IWTB was, for the most part, lacking in substance.

Not our fault that you either don't agree or can't understand that

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

Do YOU understand that due to the very nature of the subject matters and abstract concepts the X-Files investigated over the years, the series HAD to be mostly discussion based?

Apart from the fact that IWTB is not a series, but a movie about whether or not a boy needs to be cured by using the newest means of science with a possibility to kill him or leave him to the will of God, because a hospital, which is being administrated by a church, does not want to give essential funds to the patient. All the other things that is happening in that movie is some where out there in the distance that sometimes echoes back to the viewer that you are still watching the second movie of the X-Files. Excuse me for not liking 1 hour and 15 min. of existential crisis debates mixed with whether or not Mulder should be helping the FBI (when he is already been helping them for like 45 minutes now). 30 million dollar budget for that? Of course, you can say that the movie was deeply impacted by the writers strike that happened during that year, and so the script wasn't re-reviewed like it usually is, which was true.

That your main complaint seemed to be that Mulder and Scully talked too much leaves a person with any knowledge of TXF at all to agree that your reason for disliking IWTB was, for the most part, lacking in substance.

That's not my main complaint, just one of a couple. And I ain't even bothering to list them all, because I know where this "discussion" is headed.

P.S. Unless you are writing a bachelor's, master's or master of science degree thesis for a public defence in a university or in other higher education establishment, stop using quasi-sophisticated sentences just to show how much "I'm wrong to have my opinion", because it makes you look pretentious.

In vino veritas

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

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by rushmoras » Apart from the fact that IWTB is not a series, but a movie about whether or not a boy needs to be cured by using the newest means of science with a possibility to kill him or leave him to the will of God, because a hospital, which is being administrated by a church, does not want to give essential funds to the patient. All the other things that is happening in that movie is some where out there in the distance that sometimes echoes back to the viewer that you are still watching the second movie of the X-Files. Excuse me for not liking 1 hour and 15 min. of existential crisis debates mixed with whether or not Mulder should be helping the FBI (when he is already been helping them for like 45 minutes now). 30 million dollar budget for that? Of course, you can say that the movie was deeply impacted by the writers strike that happened during that year, and so the script wasn't re-reviewed like it usually is, which was true.

Since your response didn't really touch upon what I said, as simple No would have been sufficient.

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by rushmoras » That's not my main complaint, just one of a couple. And I ain't even bothering to list them all, because I know where this "discussion" is headed.

Another possibility of course is that you're not bothering to list anything else because one reason you think you know where this "discussion" is headed is because it's been made very apparent to you that your opinion about what IWTB was about isn't actually based on what IWTB was about...which you just proved with your OWN comment...which starts out by trying to differentiate the IWTB movie subject-matters/abstract concepts from the X-Files series subject-matters/abstract concepts. Really?

by rushmoras » P.S. Unless you are writing a bachelor's, master's or master of science degree thesis for a public defence in a university or in other higher education establishment, stop using quasi-sophisticated sentences just to show how much "I'm wrong to have my opinion", because it makes you look pretentious.

Just because my responses seem sophisticated (in any way) to YOU doesn't mean I'm "trying to show how much you're wrong to have the opinion that you do". That that's the way you're trying to characterize them though kind of makes it look like you're the pretentious one of the two of us. It's no one elses' fault if that's how you think your "they talked too much and as a result it didn't have enough action to suit me" opinion stands up under a little scrutiny. You voiced it after all.

And besides, looking back in this thread, you'll have to specify which comments of mine came across as "quasi-sophisticated" and/or "pretentious" to you anyway, because what I'd said up till now seemed pretty easy to follow and straight to the point to me.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

Do YOU understand that due to the very nature of the subject matters and abstract concepts the X-Files investigated over the years, the series HAD to be mostly discussion based?

No, the movie (not the series, IWTB is a movie, again) didn't have to be anything. It was not mandatory (no one was forcing the screenwriters with a gun pointed to their heads) to make it purely discussion based and it would not have been made so (the screenplay would have been more polished) if not for the writers strike that had engulfed Hollywood. Also, in one interview Criss also said that he wasn't happy on how I Want to Believe turned out in the end.

Since your response didn't really touch upon what I said, as simple No would have been sufficient.

But your statement presupposed that the creators had an obligation to make a movie purely based on discussions about past events, which is in itself lacks merit, especially having regard to the fact on how Season Nine of the X-Files ended. None of the events depicted in the later seasons of the X-Files were addressed in that movie as if they never happened. Thus, this obligation driven statement lacks merit. What more need be said about this absurd notion that the creators HAD to make a discussion driven movie?

Another possibility of course is that you're not bothering to list anything else because one reason you think you know where this "discussion" is headed is because it's been made very apparent to you that your opinion about what IWTB was about isn't actually based on what IWTB was about...which you just proved with your OWN comment...which starts out by trying to differentiate the IWTB movie subject-matters/abstract concepts from the X-Files series subject-matters/abstract concepts. Really?

Do you even understand what you wrote, you troll? Hence, my post-scriptum.

In vino veritas

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[–] Wookieebitch 8 years ago

Do you even understand what you wrote, you troll?

 You don't like what somebody says so you call them a troll? Yes, best to stick to things that won't make you use that gray matter.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

No, I call them trolls based on their responses.

What's that name for overzealous defending of a franchise when somebody - God forbids - sneezes in the wrong direction of the franchise. is it dork? No, not it... geek? Eeeeh... no...

In vino veritas

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

by rushmoras » Do you even understand what you wrote, you troll? Hence, my post-scriptum.

Yes, I understand what I wrote.

It's very apparent at this point however that as far as how what I've written applies to your comments, you still don't.

And as far as P.S.'s go, here's one for you.

You should heed your own advice about presenting your comments so that they don't sound quasi-sophisticated and/or pretentious.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

Yes, I understand what I wrote.

Good for you mate, because I thought you gotten lost in superfluous amount of unnecessary words.

It's very apparent at this point however that as far as how what I've written applies to your comments, you still don't.

I understand that me disliking IWTB due to the fact that it was boring and nothing from Season Nine was addressed (it was stand alone), personally hurt you. And you responded as a pretentious douche.

So, if you do understand what the X-Files is about, why don't you tell it for the whole world?

You should heed your own advice about presenting your comments so that they don't sound quasi-sophisticated and/or pretentious.

Difference is that I don't write as a wannabe professor from Yale in order to make me look smart.

In vino veritas

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

by rushmoras » Good for you mate, because I thought you gotten lost in superfluous amount of unnecessary words.

I understand that me disliking IWTB due to the fact that it was boring and nothing from Season Nine was addressed (it was stand alone), personally hurt you. And you responded as a pretentious douche.

Then AGAIN, you don't understand as much about what I'm writing as you like to think that you do.

by rushmoras » So, if you do understand what the X-Files is about, why don't you tell it for the whole world?

I already have...or did you not understand how the phrases "subject matters" and "abstract concepts" applied to The X-Files?

That you're asking me to explain it to you again now simply proves that you trying to differentiate IWTB from the XF series because it wasn't about "things that had already been covered in season nine" clearly illustrates that it was you who didn't understand what I was talking about the first time around.

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by rushmoras » Difference is that I don't write as a wannabe professor from Yale in order to make me look smart.

I don't either (except maybe when my writing is compared to some).

You're just trying to make it SEEM as if I do to TRY to make YOURSELF look smart...and ironically...while yourself trying to write like a Yale Professor.

Superfluous amounts of words indeed.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

Subject matters and abstract concepts , you don't know anything you write about, because X-Files is about subject matters and abstract concepts is as vague as it gets. I'm putting you on ignore, dork. I got bored of feeding your comments.

In vino veritas

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

I see.

Then pray tell how YOU discuss the types of subject matters and abstract concepts The X-Files covered throughout the series using mainly action and without a lot of talking.

And YOU tried to suggest that MY comments made ME appear to be an X-Files troll. 

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[–] Wookieebitch 8 years ago

Your answer would indicate that you aren't as familiar with The X-Files as you might think you are. You might be better off sticking with action films. I wonder if you even realize what you've shown about yourself with your complaints here. The X-Files is a property that makes you think, if you don't like it, watch something else.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

 Wow, someone's got their panties in a twist, because someone didn't like their beloved I Want to Believe. This is a discussion board, aint it? At least you are responding in normal sentences.

In vino veritas

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[–] ThreeZs 8 years ago

If you take FTF and combine it with IWTB, it's like two halves of the whole. The X-Files is half esoteric discussion and half action. The episodes are often even laid out that way, back and forth.
1. Action: Victim gets attacked.
2. Discussion: Mulder and Scully discuss the case and paranormal weirdness.
3. Action: Mulder and Scully hope to talk to but end up often chasing suspects and witnesses.
4. Discussion: Case gets solved.

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[–] Wookieebitch 8 years ago

Yes but rush can't handle talking. He needs everything to be action. I wonder if listening to discussions makes his head hurt.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

Yes but rush can't handle talking.

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He needs everything to be action

You pulled that right out of your ass.

I wonder if listening to discussions makes his head hurt.

I wonder if being a knight in shining armour who vigorously defends a poorly written movie, which is a B or C category movie, makes your head hurt? Oh, but wait, you did not provide anything at all to support your arguments why IWTB in your opinion is a good movie! Just like Who To Trust did not provide anything apart from his IWTB has subject-matters and abstract concepts (but what these subject-matters and abstract concepts are he always failed to specify, only posting the same thing over and over again as if "thinking" that he is making any sense). You know, you two dorks are worthy of each other.

In vino veritas

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

by rushmoras » ...Just like Who To Trust did not provide anything apart from his IWTB has subject-matters and abstract concepts (but what these subject-matters and abstract concepts are he always failed to specify, only posting the same thing over and over again as if "thinking" that he is making any sense). You know, you two dorks are worthy of each other.

Says the troll who could apparently find the time to respond to THIS thread tangent, but who couldn't be bothered to explain in the OTHER thread tangent how HE would go about conveying the types of subject matters and abstract concepts the entirety of the X-Files series covered using mainly action and "without a lot of talking".

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FYI rushmoras, YOU may only be capable of viewing IWTB as it related to the last season of the series, but that doesn't mean that's how IWTB was intended to be viewed.

After all, Chris Carter himself said at the time that Fight The Future was written in a way that didn't require viewers to have followed the entire series so that it could possibly draw in NEW viewers to the series. So, having set that precedent with his first X-Files MOVIE, it's certainly no stretch to imagine that the writers of IWTB followed suit in able to introduce more newer viewers to the series...which was at the time being carried by Netflix and still selling on DVD.

But again, maybe that kind of abstract concept about such subject matters is beyond you...

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[–] BoxMissingno 8 years ago

@ ThreeZ: I agree with you on that. As for s10, I liked half of the episodes and didn't like the other half of them.

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[–] ThreeZs 8 years ago

Which half did you like?

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[–] BoxMissingno 8 years ago

@ ThreeZs: The episodes by Darin, Glen and James. And I'm a fan of IWTB. Guess I just like it when CC's worst tendencies are kept under control. At least they seemed to respect Mulder and Scully's history and relationship.

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[–] ThreeZs 8 years ago

Love the Morgan bros and Wong. IWTB rocks.

CC's kind of a sadist toward his audience. I like it, but not everyone does.

Dearly Beloved, We are gathered here today to get through this thing called life. Prince RIP

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[–] BoxMissingno 8 years ago

@ThreeZs: There's a difference between that and not being a very good writer in my opinion. He's devolved into that. I didn't see anything that reminded me of M & S or how he wrote in the original series or even in IWTB (apart from the one office scene in Babylon between them -- at least that reminded me of M & S). It was very strange to be honest.

As for him being a sadist, I'll shoot you a PM.

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[–] ThreeZs 8 years ago

M & S spent a lot of time apart in S10. Here's hoping S11 will yield more M & S time together--solving cases, comparing theories, and engaging in their famous banter.

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[–] BoxMissingno 8 years ago

@ThreeZs: Definitely. And not as just friends. They have too much history there now to just be that.

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[–] ThreeZs 8 years ago

ITA. I consider their estrangement a hiccup in a long love affair.

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[–] BoxMissingno 8 years ago

@ThreeZs: Maybe. But I don't even consider it to be canon, given the fact outside of Mulder becoming obsessed again and sitting on his butt and being online, we have no other real reason for why she left him. It's just another cheap trope. And after all they've been through, I can't even take it seriously.

CC was just bored and wanted to shake things up. Not that it's bad, but in my opinion, the way it was handled was not very well done. Some more background as to why it happened could have helped. IWTB at least hinted that there was something wrong. Meaning Mulder doing what he's always done, their son not being in their lives, and other stuff along those lines.

It would have brought in some plot to fill things in. Sure there was a bit here and there. We have the Old Man who Mulder was in 'contact' with. But we don't know if that might be in part why Mulder is where he's at. We also have (thanks to Glen and James) the background dealing with William, which could be another reason. But if it weren't for those things... it would be that much worse.

I'm tired of having to fill in so much. It's past the point of being mysterious, it's now just weak writing.

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[–] ThreeZs 8 years ago

Unnecessary new characters? There needed to be a transition back into the FBI. Einstein and Miller, however grating (they were supposed to be grating!), provided that transition without the need for boring exposition.
Tad was a necessary Mulder contact, and Sveta met her end.
So which characters were unnecessary?

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[–] tb-sch 8 years ago

True, there would have been more potential. CC seems to be too much in love with the train wreck of the myth arc. Instead of coming up with a new secret to solve and working on connecting that carefully to the old conspiracy, he started with the pile of rubbish the original show has left us with.

It was sloppy writing which did not match the quality of the first seasons and for a show of that league felt strangely botched, as if CC did not have the time to come up with something worth the effort.

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[–] mgreen9715 8 years ago

Feel free to piss off and go bitch at someone else, then?

Let us real fans have productive conversations.

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[–] boy19 8 years ago

It sounded like the user was making a constructive argument to me. Fans of the show should be able to take criticism as long as there are good reasons to back it up.

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[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

"Constructive" criticism (of any sort) usually doesn't include phrases and/or terms like "absolute mess and disappointment", "totally unworthy", "trainwreck", "pile of rubbish", "sloppy", or "botched", which you would have to admit are personally-based subjective opinion.

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[–] Wookieebitch 8 years ago

The OP is not a constructive argument or criticism. Nor does it contain any "good reasons".

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[–] avortac4 (3752) 3 years ago

In the pilot, you get the feeling someone was trying to tell us something.

Then someone 'higher up' saw it and shut it down, to replace it with a 'boring horror crap' instead.

This would explain everything..

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