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Did NBC deliberately sabotage this show?


Okay, I've finally gone through both seasons of Sea Quest and am shocked at how different season one is from season two. I know a show is supposed to change from season to season, but the changes were so drastic and so damaging, I now know why it never recovered. The first season I have to say was great in both the writing and the overall quality of the actors. The show had sci-fact based plots that dealt with the premise of underwater exploration and the impact of our choices on the environment. The characters were always changing and there was great chemistry throughout. I loved Royce Applegate as Chief Crocker and would have liked to see more of him. Stephanie Beacham was great as ship's doc and there was so much more for her to do. But somehow NBC got into their heads as these networks often do, that a great show needs tweaking. I can understand a little tweak here and there. But what they did was to give it a complete cosmetic overhaul. This was taking a Cadillac and trying to replace it with an Edsel. The result was not only damaging to the overall theme of deep sea exploration, but the quality and charm of the first season was destroyed. First I hear the producers were bickering back and forth with the studio and then decided to move it to Florida. This led to the departure of Ms. Beacham and probably their objective since they wanted a younger crew. For what? Ratings? Chief Crocker with his old sea dog sensibilities was given his walking papers to Davy Jones' locker and the funny and oddly endearing character of Lt. Krieg who gave me several laughs over his constant harebrain schemes and his hamburger and fish poop debacles were to be sorely missed. And I mean sorely missed. I would have liked to see him in the second season trapped behind a UEO headquarters desk constantly scheming to get back on seaQuest. He was replaced by a smart aleck from Brooklyn with a knack for breathing underwater and a strange dude with DNA issues. If the second season dealt with the realities of science, then the second dealt it a death blow, cause there was nothing steeped in fact or quality of writing. There seemed to be an effort on NBC's behalf to deep six the best show on television at the time. The plots revolved around silly new age ideas of aliens, ancient Gods who want SeaQuest to be the love boat and find his true love, psychics who could read minds, man eating plants, comatose patients with an ax to grind, and finally who could forget the demon in pandora's box? The plots now revolved only around the main characters of Bridger, Brody, Lucas, Ford, Smith, Piccolo, Dagwood, newcomer Henderson, sometimes Ortiz and O'Neil, and if you were lucky..Darwin. Gone was the closing summary by Robert Ballard offering his take on the episode and his expertise. Why? The guy found the Titanic for God's sake! The actors were left to offer up little dishes on the sea life flavor of the week. The set redesign was dark, cramped, and aesthetically cold and unpleasant. I don't know who decided to make these changes, but when they did, they killed what was great about the show in the first place. Deep sea exploration and having a ship loaded with the tools to enforce it and having a great cast of characters who offered humor, warmth, intelligence, and offering hope for the future. To the people who killed this show...great job! You wanted to ruin it and you did, pat yourselves on the back for a job well done! The third season if possible, is even darker and left me with a feeling of hopelessness and longing for the days of the only true season..one!!!

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They could have done the same things that worked in season one with the season two actors. What really messed things up for Seaquest was the story line. The went from a show that showed what ocean exploration would be like in the future to pure Sci-Fi. Seaquest in season one in my opinion was unique and after that just another Sci-Fi series with a poor story line. To bad the show went in that direction. It went in such a bad direction that even Roy Scheider didn't want to be involved in it anymore and left the series.

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NBC just can't do Sci-Fi shows.

They've had Star Trek, seaQuest, Knight Rider, Wonder Woman, Journeyman, etc.

Now, they don't. Some have gone to other networks and have done well.

NBC should just stick to what they know which is mostly comedy.

"What do you people at home think?"
--Crow T. Robot

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NBC - the 'Nothing But Crap' network, has committed creative suicide with a number of projects, sci-fi or not.

Anyone remember Earth 2? That was NBC. Great premise, poor creative execution and horrible time slot. Even worse with the cliffhanger ending that was never resolved.

They had cool shows like 'The Pretender' and 'Profiler', both of which were great premises, but then fell off very badly. They originally had 'JAG'. CBS wisely picked it up and ran with it after NBC axed it at the end of season 1. NBC also had a show called 'Sleepwalkers' that had the potential to be a good, creepy sci-fi/paranormal show had it been given a chance.

But the cancellation that took the cake was when NBC killed 'Boomtown'. What a waste. They could have had a top-notch cop drama, but they messed with it too much and didn't give it the time it required to find its audience.

And they're tanking in the ratings, too. Ask me if I'm shedding any tears over that.



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They did the same thing with Las Vegas. Now I'm a Tom Sellack fan, so I'm not bothered by the Caan/Sellack bait and switch. But leaving the show with multiple cliffhangers was a slap in the face to those of us who stayed loyal for 5 seasons. And even after casting it into the Friday hell night, the ratings stayed good. The ultimate disregard though is having Josh and Molly appear on Knightrider with the baby so they could give fans "closure."

They also dropped the ball on Studio 60. I find it ironic that an intelligent show about how networks couldn't handle an intelligent show got cancelled by a network that so clearly fails at handling intelligent shows.

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It wouldn't surprise me if the executives at NBC did.

I don't blame Roy Scheider for leaving the series, when it got bad. To this day, I still commend him for doing just that.

The first season was the best and only the best. NBC and Universal should have left the series alone.

It was fine the way it was.

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The mind readers were actually in Season 1, believe it or not. Pretty early on too. That was one plot line that sort of turned me off the otherwise fairly hard sci-fi approach of the show in the first season. A minor gripe compared to where things went after that though.

NBC doesn't have the exclusive on screwing up great sci-fi shows though. I put Seaquest up there with Sliders (Fox), as one of those shows that started with great promise and then went to crap. At least NBC delivered the deathblow fairly quickly once it went over the deep in. Sliders kicked off the show's created, changed the tone and format, limped on for years then finally killed off it's main characters. Then somehow got resurrected on the Sci-Fi Channel, yikes.

I always thought the first season of Seaquest played out as a great Star Trek homage. Except it felt more rooted in a seemingly possible near future. Far out fantasy sci-fi has it's place, but it's such a shame to see a show devolve in quality so quickly after such a good start.

Oh well, Netflix instant que has the first season. So I've been enjoying re-watching it lately.

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I seem to remember Roy saying that they were trying to turn the show into Star Trek TNG clone but that Star Trek TNG did their own thing way better.

"Am you Bizarro's mommy?"

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Having rewatched season one not too long ago, I can see the seeds of S2's slide into wackyness with Abalon, which isn't just the worst episode of the first season, but possibly the worst episode of the whole series (though the shamelessly stupid Watergate ranks a close second). It's clear throughout season one that the writers and producers were being pulled in different directions by the network suits, even in the generally stronger second half. Still, even most of the crappy episodes are still entertaining. With all the revivals/remakes/reimaginings going on, I'd really love to see SeaQuest come back in some form.

"Oh, I did my thesis on life experience." - Anonymous Harvard Guy, The Simpsons.

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So I just started watching SeaQuest, and I LOVE it so far! I've heard a lot of bad thing about seasons 2 and 3 though, and judging from the posts I've read on this (and other) threads, no one liked the later seasons.

Would it be better to watch season 1 and not watch the other 2 seasons? Will watching seasons 2 and 3 ruin SeaQuest for me?

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Season 3 is debated, its good for what it is, but its significantly darker and different from the first season. I, personally, like it. It's comparable to the recent Battlestar Galactica.

However, if you do decide to watch S3, then you might as well watch at least the first few episodes of S2, as it will provide context for various characters that you wouldn't have otherwise.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!

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actually ironside wasnt bad taking over as ship captain but what stink was the stories I wish they kept it as season 1.

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Yes, watch Season 2, or at least some episodes of it, before season 3.

I wasn't given that chance, as Season 3 was aired prior to Season 2 in the UK, but that is the channel that has picked up the abysmal Dinosaur/time-travel nonsense Primeval, so what do they know about sci-fi?

I haven't seen Season 3 on DVD yet. I have the Playback box sets.

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I like Primeval quite a lot...

The angels have the phonebox.

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Season 1 is the best. I am watching on Netflix instant watching and I have to say I watched about 4 or 5 episodes of S.2 and found season 2 crap. If I wanted aliens and space travel I would have kept watching stargate. I loved the environmental messages in S.1 but all the scifi crap in S.2 turned me off so much I skipped the rest and went to S.3. Not like the first season, but much less science fiction and more of a military action show, a lot like Star Trek. Watching S.3 Ironside does make a good military commander but lacks any science experience which was Nathan Bridger. Bridger was a good scientist and military commander when the need came up. With the way the show went, I don't blame Roy Schieder for leaving. I would have abandoned that ship too.

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seaQuest had everything going for it save the writing, it they had nailed that down...

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!

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I just finished season three - having not gotten to see the final episodes for many years - and found it a marked improvement over the rest of the series. You can see the writers were lifting their game considerably, and laying down the foundations for a strong back nine... Which sadly didn't come about. I would have loved to see how Kimura would have settled in as a regular character (which was the plan had the season gone beyond 13 episodes) and whether Bridger would indeed have found his son. Ah well, we can but dream... At least the show went out with some dignity.

"Oh, I did my thesis on life experience." - Anonymous Harvard Guy, The Simpsons.

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I need to start bookmarking where I see this stuff, because now I can't find it, but I had read somewhere from one of the writers that had season 3 gone to the end, there would have been a showdown with the Chaodai and Bridger would have found his son.

You can find brief summaries for a couple of episodes that never made it to production, but can give you an idea of where the show was going.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seaQuest_DSV_episodes


Skip down to "Unproduced episodes".

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yea they wanted to keep that new sub chinese pilot lady
or whatever.

i think 2032 had the right idea and good ideas
on where to go with it but was never excuted correctly

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Given the budget and Spielberg as producer, there was no way it was deliberately sabotaged.

It was just a poor show.

Its that man again!!

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Do you remember the debut of "Supertrain", a series from the 70's with an all-star cast, all-star direction, production, writers?

Neither do I.

It's not a matter of who produced it or how much money was spent - on the contrary, the more people involved, the muddier the results.

"An alien would never say that." -Hollywood executive

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NBC got involved in the story writing in season 2, and made it campy and ridiculous.

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Yes they did when they put it in a time slot where they knew and it did get stepped on by late running football games.

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by charl0tte74 ยป Mon Jun 2 2008 12:56:10
IMDb member since February 2005
Okay, I've finally gone through both seasons of Sea Quest and am shocked at how different season one is from season two. I know a show is supposed to change from season to season, but the changes were so drastic and so damaging, I now know why it never recovered. The first season I have to say was great in both the writing and the overall quality of the actors. The show had sci-fact based plots that dealt with the premise of underwater exploration and the impact of our choices on the environment. The characters were always changing and there was great chemistry throughout. I loved Royce Applegate as Chief Crocker and would have liked to see more of him. Stephanie Beacham was great as ship's doc and there was so much more for her to do. But somehow NBC got into their heads as these networks often do, that a great show needs tweaking. I can understand a little tweak here and there. But what they did was to give it a complete cosmetic overhaul. This was taking a Cadillac and trying to replace it with an Edsel. The result was not only damaging to the overall theme of deep sea exploration, but the quality and charm of the first season was destroyed. First I hear the producers were bickering back and forth with the studio and then decided to move it to Florida. This led to the departure of Ms. Beacham and probably their objective since they wanted a younger crew. For what? Ratings? Chief Crocker with his old sea dog sensibilities was given his walking papers to Davy Jones' locker and the funny and oddly endearing character of Lt. Krieg who gave me several laughs over his constant harebrain schemes and his hamburger and fish poop debacles were to be sorely missed. And I mean sorely missed. I would have liked to see him in the second season trapped behind a UEO headquarters desk constantly scheming to get back on seaQuest. He was replaced by a smart aleck from Brooklyn with a knack for breathing underwater and a strange dude with DNA issues. If the second season dealt with the realities of science, then the second dealt it a death blow, cause there was nothing steeped in fact or quality of writing. There seemed to be an effort on NBC's behalf to deep six the best show on television at the time. The plots revolved around silly new age ideas of aliens, ancient Gods who want SeaQuest to be the love boat and find his true love, psychics who could read minds, man eating plants, comatose patients with an ax to grind, and finally who could forget the demon in pandora's box? The plots now revolved only around the main characters of Bridger, Brody, Lucas, Ford, Smith, Piccolo, Dagwood, newcomer Henderson, sometimes Ortiz and O'Neil, and if you were lucky..Darwin. Gone was the closing summary by Robert Ballard offering his take on the episode and his expertise. Why? The guy found the Titanic for God's sake! The actors were left to offer up little dishes on the sea life flavor of the week. The set redesign was dark, cramped, and aesthetically cold and unpleasant. I don't know who decided to make these changes, but when they did, they killed what was great about the show in the first place. Deep sea exploration and having a ship loaded with the tools to enforce it and having a great cast of characters who offered humor, warmth, intelligence, and offering hope for the future. To the people who killed this show...great job! You wanted to ruin it and you did, pat yourselves on the back for a job well done! The third season if possible, is even darker and left me with a feeling of hopelessness and longing for the days of the only true season..one!!!

I think it was a little more basic than that. I think people had a higher degree of understanding about technology in general, and what submarines did, could do, and everything else.

Hollywood rode on the "put on a show" thinking or a very long time, and as they pursued a new marketing model in the 1970s by catering to single women and housewife, they lost their know-how of how to make good adventure shows.

I saw most of the first season of Seaquest, and thought it was just okay. Largely because there were a lot of implausibilities in the show, and it showed a kind of futuristic Earth that, to be brutally honest, I don't want and I think other people didn't want either, no matter how "utopic" it was supposed to be.

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You should watch Season 3 - that's what you're looking for.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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