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Frasier's ridiculous list of 30-something women (and way over!)


Are Frasier's girlfriend's/dates seriously meant to be c.40yr olds with no kids?

True, that model had a sourfaced daughter and a couple have had ex-husbands etc, but what percentage of available women over 30 in reality have not had kids?

And Marty, clearly about 70, is attracting dates aged 35?

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Maybe my memory needs refreshing, but I don't recall Marty dating anyone really young? I recall Sherry and Cam Winston's mother. The lady he ended up marrying, Wendy Malick's character, I think she was supposed to be in at least her 50s? She had babysat for Niles and Frasier and always had a crush on Marty.

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Yeah, there was that cop that Frasier also fancied?

And the middle aged woman at that party when his dyed hair melted by the fire?

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Excellent point. Frasier came to his relationships with a child and the baggage of 2 divorces and one near marriage. The women he dated would have had some similar backgrounds. The majority of them are portrayed as single and no kids.

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--------------------"And Marty, clearly about 70, is attracting dates aged 35?"--------------------

The actual age difference between the actors John Mahoney and Jane Kaczmarek is only about 15 years. Kaczmarek who portrayed the policewoman(Maureen Cutler) that Frasier first wanted who then dated Martin.

Mahoney was 55 when the episode aired and Kaczmarek was 40. Granted Martin was supposed to be about 64 then and you could argue that the Cutler character was not 40. Clearly she was young enough to be his daughter(Same age as Frasier) and his hip with the cane does not help.

As people may recall she dumped Martin because he was too closed minded. He did not like eating ethnic foods and things like that so perhaps she would have done better with Frasier.

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Yeah, poetic license as my mother-in-law always says?

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Part of how TV sitcoms retain their longevity is their "fantasy factor" for audiences...male audiences in the main, even when the comedy might tilt to the women.

Seinfeld, George, and Kramer all landed attractive women on Seinfeld. Seinfeld himself made sense -- he was a celebrity , bright and not bad looking. But GEORGE? Kramer had a haywire macho aggressiveness to him, but not so much to do as well as he did.

Still...a fantasy.

Frasier covered all sorts of bases in allow Frasier himself, Niles(with Daphne) and Martin(an ex-cop after all -- a tough guy) to land women ostensibly out of their league. Except Frasier and Niles were established as near-wealthy(always attractive to an attractive female) and Martin had a pension.

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Martin dating Frasier's babysitter was outright gross. Like he had been lusting after her back then.

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