I kind of think so, but I'm not sure it would've worked out.
Much as I think the show ended well, I'd have loved to see the results of her kiss with Noel, given her reaction to it, as well. I'm not sure that one would've worked either.
she should have given him a foot massage too.
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No, because I think he would always revert to type and be the pig he is. The idea that he had another side was just a pretense.
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I don't think so. He may have developed genuine feelings for her, but like everyone else said, he was still a pig. When she first slept with him, he apparently went around telling everyone and basically treated it more like a conquest than a relationship. Then, when he came back, he probably did actually want a relationship with her but handled it in such an immature way - scaring off her dates, and then all ready to sleep with her under false pretenses. Even if she had given him a real chance, he probably would have ended up cheating on her or something.
shareI actually liked them together, after seeing how sweet Bulldog was with Alice, when he was the babysitter. And as far as scaring off her dates, yeah, that was probably wrong, but in a way, it was kinda nice, because he was fighting for her and protecting her in a way. I also thought they had good chemistry - I was surprised when I found out the actor that played Bulldog in real life was gay, because he really had great chemistry with Roz.
And yes, he was a pig, but I think maybe he reached a point in his life where he would've been willing to change his ways and settle down and be a good family man. Actually, of all Roz's boyfriends, with maybe the exception of the garbage man, I liked Bulldog the best. I think they would've brought out the best in each other, but still have been able to spar with each other and put each other in their place, in a fun way.
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The Bulldog as Babysitter episode is one of my favorites. I loved seeing him dote on Alice! And to answer the OP's question, yes, I think Roz should've given him more of a chance. She nixed any chance because she was basically judging him based on his sexual exploits which weren't that far from her own. They were more similar than they were different.
Roz also suffered from the prevalent female syndrome in which she is repelled by guys who treat her well, which I will say Bulldog did, as well as Roger, the garbage man. She blew it letting Roger go with her elitist attitude about his "not an office" job.
Roz is her own worst enemy with men. I just watched an episode in which she is dating Bulldog. She told Frasier that he brought her flowers, took her to a nice restaurant, and only wanted to cuddle afterwards, so she was going to break up with him. I rest my case.
shareI say no. Bulldog had been sabotaging Roz's dates all week and playing off her feelings of rejection just to get close to her. Even if he was sincere about his feelings for her at the end (and I believe that we are supposed to see him as such) I couldn't see any relationship between himself and Roz ending well.
Did the forgotten generations scream or go full of resignation, quietly protesting innocence?
She shouldn't have given him a chance at all! He used her as a human shield from a gunman while she was pregnant with Alice! I kinda lost some respect for her when she slept with him. It's funny how everyone calls Frasier a douchebag. Frasier has done and said some douchebag-gy things, but Bulldog to me is a real douche bag.
Why do they call 'em soap operas anyway? Those things are FILTHY!----Fred Sanford
These TV shows are so unrealistic when it comes to women's psychology, sex drive and what they find attractive, so it's kind of pointless to ponder these things - fictional characters having a completely fictional sexuality that doesn't gel with reality at all.
If we think about this from a more realistic viewpoint, we have a couple of facts (not opinions) to consider:
1) Roz is always shown to be an 'easy woman', and she sleeps around a lot. Let's just say she likes sex, and makes bad choices (the only realistic part about this stuff - there are many women like that in the world).
2) Bulldog has a relatively - if not high, then at least above average status. He has a steady job, he has a fanbase and audience, he is an expert in a field respected by men, he has a very 'macho' attitude, lots of self-confidence, very 'masculine' values, and even a little bit of charisma.
Compared to the 'average man', that's a bit shy, has trouble talking to pretty women, and is what most women consider 'boring', Bulldog with his energetic personality and sense of humor, wit and other visible forms of status raises clearly above the 'average men'.
Heck, Bulldog as a radio personality, MUST have at least a handful of female groupies, so he even has 'female pre-selection' as an added form of status.
In realistic thinking, Roz should feel automatic attraction towards bulldog, even if she doesn't want to admit it. Maybe one realistic situation could be, that Roz's body reacts strongly to Bulldog's presence, but she tries to pretend she hates him or something, while secretly her panties get wet every time she even thinks of him.
Especially considering she's a 'loose woman', something that likes to 'sample a lot of different men', it would definitely be at least within the realm of possibility that she and Bulldog would some night go to a bar together, get drunk and wake up together, and she wouldn't even really regret it (at least more than her usual hookups).
I don't see what's so "pig" about bulldog per se - women definitely PREFER a 'pig' to a 'boring simp that doesn't dare even look at them'.
I would wager almost anything that over 90% of young, heterosexual women would prefer Bulldog to Niles (if you remove the fame, fortune and being a doctor from Niles, because those are forms of status as well - we're talking about pure 'pig' vs. 'simp' personality here).
Bulldog may be overbearing, annoying and crude, but at the same time, he DARES do things most men don't (a mark of high status), he is honest, direct, straightforward, he doesn't worship women or let anyone walk all over him, he has a spine and strong opinions, passion, etc.
Bulldog is 'Bulldog' for a reason - that kind of 'pigness' sells, and it attracts women. Now, women don't usually like overt sex jokes and such, but with Bulldog, you always know what you are going to get, and there's no hidden agenda to be worried about. Think about the snakelike slick guy like the rich producer in 'Wayne's World' for a contrast. With that guy, you are never quite sure where you stand. With Bulldog, it's all clear and obvious.
The only thing about Bulldog and his open behaviour that might turn off women and make them choose to not spend time with him, is that it all might make the woman feel like she's a slút. Women don't mind BEING 'loose' or 'easy', but they hate being SEEN or LABELED that way.
In other words, women don't mind 'doing that kind of things', they only mind people THINKING or KNOWING they 'do that kind of things'. Being a gardening tool (I assume I don't have to explain this) is no problem, being called a gardening tool is.
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