So instead of giving fans closure Lynch made...this *beep* thing?
I'm honestly baffled that instead of making a movie that would pick up after the season 2 finale (giving fans closure) he made this mess.
shareI'm honestly baffled that instead of making a movie that would pick up after the season 2 finale (giving fans closure) he made this mess.
shareFWWM was intended to be the first film of trilogy or tetrad, which, possibly, would have brought closure to the story. The film was such a financial failure, that know sequel ever saw the light of day.
Anyway, with the knew series, perhaps we will finally get that closure.
Originality needs a reboot.
Without this movie, it would be quite easy to imagine all the events of the series as Bobby Briggs's pre-nuptial nightmare, several days before his and Laura's wedding, as he nods off over an early morning cup of coffee at the RR, interrupted by her smiling face appearing before him.
The mental processes that tell a viewer of both the viewer and the movie that that's quite unlikely are a form of closure.
(Who knows, maybe something like that really is what we'll see in the new season. I don't write these things, and if something is shown to me that I have to accept to continue with a project, I'll accept it, provisionally.)
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"The bonsai: the ultimate miniature."
--Will Hayward, Twin Peaks.
Since I've never been sure just what people really mean by "closure" --near as I can tell, outside of certain mathematical concepts there's only one closure and I don't happen to need that at the moment-- I looked it up.
There's a usage in psychology which maybe is what people usually mean by the word:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_(psychology). Need for this kind of closure could be situational. I'm pretty low on the scale in reading or watching art I guess, but if I were trying to catch a serial killer I'd probably be somewhat higher. A person expecting a charrette to show up for them at a certain time would probably be really, really high.
Coincidentally, as in it just showed up unsought by me, I found a discussion of closure in art in a nice book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understanding_Comics.
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"Closure for blood, gutters for veins."
--Scott McCloud, Understanding Comics
I've heard Lynch and Bob Engels say this, but I've also heard them say that no sequels were planned (Engels tends to contradict himself a lot in different interviews). My guess is that they had characters and ideas they could expand upon if needed, but that their main priority was to throw as much as possible into this film. Obviously Lynch shot some stuff which makes absolutely no sense outside of setting up sequels (namely, the thing with Annie in the hospital, and Cooper in the bathroom) so he MUST have at least been humoring the idea. But it's notable that he cut those scenes, along with a lot of other stuff that didn't relate to Laura's narrative and it seems like by the end of the process he was looking at the movie more as a standalone. Certainly Sheryl Lee's performance was so intense and committed that it sort of re-invented the purpose and structure of the movie (contributing to Lynch's incorporation of elements like the angel and the ring - and the idea of garmonbozia as "pain and sorrow" - into the ending even though they weren't in the scripted conclusion).
I know people talk a lot about the idea of trilogy or more but it's hard for me to see much evidence of that in the film itself, other than the Phillip Jeffries stuff and maybe Chet Desmond's disappearance (although I kind of like that as a non sequitur, and half-hope it will be left hanging in 2016/17, perverse as that may seem!). It's more about circling around a particular subject (however nonlinear and disjointed the storytelling) than world expansion. At any rate since Lynch never really plans ahead, any future films were pure abstractions at the time of the film's release and remained as such.
I wonder if, after the new series, he'll be inspired to make more films? I'll welcome all the new Lynch content I can get, but I suspect he'll be treating this opportunity more as a chance to say goodbye to Twin Peaks than to leave things perpetually open. But who knows...
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Well, some fans did get closure from this amazing thing. But don't worry, most fans will *probably* get closure with the upcoming season 3 (even if it won't be the same thing to some).
Hey there, Johnny Boy, I hope you fry!
I think you're looking for the wrong kind of closure. Yes, it will be exciting to find out what happened to Cooper when the series returns but the finale also works as a dark conclusion to the tale, Cooper's fall from grace. At any rate, the more important closure was psychological and emotional and that involved returning to the source of Twin Peaks, not venturing further into the future. Because a lot of stuff from the show had been only superficially resolved.
By the end of the series (and keep in mind Lynch was barely involved after the killer's reveal), Twin Peaks had strayed really far from its roots. Lynch, in both the finale and the feature film, was really eager to bring it all back home.
Hence in the finale he threw out much of the planned script and brought back a bunch of characters who had been forgotten: Ronette, Sarah Palmer, Leland Palmer, Maddy Ferguson, the room service waiter, the giant, the Little Man, and even Audrey's mom and Heidi the German waitress were not in the script but were brought back by Lynch (Windom Earle's role, meanwhile, was radically reduced). Most importantly, Lynch decided to make the Black Lodge into the Red Room. Believe it or not, the scripted Lodge was a whole new location, which would have basically left the Red Room of Cooper's dream as a narrative dead end instead of expanding on it (think how much of the lore that fans obsess over is due entirely to Lynch's improvisations in the last episode).
Likewise, in Fire Walk With Me, Lynch brought back the grandmother and grandson, the one-armed man, and the creamed corn, all of whom had been forgotten since Laura's mystery was resolved early in the second season. He explains why Teresa was killed (something brushed off with no explanation in ep. 16), and makes her relationships to Laura and Leland clear, and digs much deeper into the Leland/Bob relationship, leaving it ambiguous but going a lot further than the show's very perfunctory wrap-up of this plotline.
Above all, Lynch loved the character of Laura Palmer. The pilot episode was entirely centered around her death, as were most of the following episodes, and yet she was hardly ever mentioned in the second half of the series. Laura is perhaps the most quintessentially Lynchian character of all time: a combination of light and dark, beauty and ugliness, shrouded in mystery, pain, and danger. So it's no surprise he wanted to finally give her life and explore her trauma and death through her own eyes. It's one thing to hear about her suffering from friends, doctors, and detectives - safely distanced from actually experiencing it ourselves. It's something else entirely to live in Laura's world for two hours and that's what this film accomplished. It's also a hugely important gateway into the second half of Lynch's career, with its dual identities, split narrative, female protagonist, subjective/dreamlike perspective, and mixture of the everyday with fantastical, physics-bending phenomena. No Fire Walk With Me, no Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, or Inland Empire. And I think these are Lynch's most interesting works.
I'm thrilled we'll get to see more Twin Peaks, but I was also satisfied with the end of this movie: the two most important characters finally united, having passed through the darkness, now bathed in light because they survived their suffering (spiritually if not physically). We could wait 25 years to find out what happened to Cooper, but due to Sheryl Lee's age and Lynch's burning desire to tell Laura's story, Fire Walk With Me had to be made exactly when it was. And I'm so glad he chose to go in this direction rather than tidily wrap up the TV show's storylines.
Very well said MovieMan0283-2!!!
shareDamn--you went all Gestaldt on everyone's asses!
shareWho the hell wants closure? Works of the nature of Twin Peaks don't need to be encapsulated inside pop psychological parameters such as closure, a trite and feckless concept of the latter 20th century, if ever one was. Nothing sounds more nullifying to Twin Peaks than closure. The perpetual conversation around depths of meaning and interpretation of events and characters is where this story lives. A dozen different people viewing Twin Peaks will relate to what they saw in a dozen different ways. The artist's material finds a living medium in the mind of the viewer.
Why do some artists' work endure age after age. Van Gogh, Messiaen, Sister Teresa of Avila, Yeats, Copeland, Poe, Vaughan Williams, Dostoevsky, Hopper, Rodin? It's not because of closure. Closure is for Jerry Bruckheimer fans.
...for want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died.
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As already mentioned, FWWM does provide emotional closure. But even so it isn't like the show ended in some particularly inappropriate place - after all, the central storyline involving Cooper and Earle was followed to its conclusion while all manner of other climactic cataclysms occurred allover the town (and then there were of course slight touches mirroring The Pilot and thereby suggesting a closure of the narrative loop); the final episode in its universally perverse grimness certainly FELT like something had come to its end.
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Challenge the bafflement. Bafflement is a prison that only you can choose to ecscape from. Some of the greatest minds of my generation were lost to bafflement. They completely stopped thinking and ended up permanently baffled. Unless you challenge your bafflement forever will it control your perception.
Go back and watch it again. Turn out the lights. Get heaps of popcorn and goodies. Get really really smashed then hit play. If you're prepared to concentrate you'll also need Kleenex. Lots of Kleenex.
FWWM is the best part of Twin Peaks. It's just really sad and they cut out the jokes. We've had all the jokes in the series. It's time for some Garmonbozia.
Maybe he returned Mike's Garmonbozia a bit later. He/Philip seemed to be suffering in the series.
shareWell it didn't work out, but that might happen when you're so bold, you try to plan three movies ahead. But hey, you might get that closure now that the new tv series is coming.
shareI loved the film. I saw it twice when it was released. It wasn't what I was expected but it took me on a ride. My only problem was the death of Laura when "Waldo" wasn't seen attack Laura which was established in the original series.
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