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Best Boxing Movie - Ever


This is indeed the best boxing movie ever created. Yes, even better than "Rocky". I can hear the collective, "Oh, no, not "Rocky"! Just hear me out, I'm not a "Rocky" hater, in fact, I believe that it is probably one of the top three boxing movies of all-time. However, "Diggstown" wasn't just a great boxing movie, it was a great movie - period. The dialogue, the cinematography, the characters, the complexity of the plot. This all adds up to a great movie. If you can take an honest look at both movies, back to back, you can see the obvious superiority of "Diggstown".

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Oh, no, not "Rocky". Come on man, how can you compare the two. Apples and Oranges. Diggstown was a great movie. Especially the dialogue. Very clever writing and the actors fit the parts perfectly. The plot was great too, it always seemed to stay one step ahead of you. And don't forget to mention Heather Graham. I loved the movie, but I don't think it was in the same class as Rocky.

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I agree with the first one, this beats Rocky in my books.

I need to return some videotapes.

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you guys are so full of crap... first off to say rocky isn't a great movie aside from the boxing is ridiculous... secondly we're talking about putting this up against two monsters of boxing movies... Raging Bull is lightyears ahead of diggstown... now i love diggstown... but the best boxing action ever in a movie is in the quiet man... sure it's less than 2 minutes worth... but it's the best... Raging bull is close and is overall more about boxing than the quiet man so it gets my vote for best boxing movie and rocky is just a great movie... the boxing action in rocky in diggstown doesn't even compare to raging bull or the quiet man... and if your talking about overall greatness of the film in its entirety... diggstown doesn't compare to any of the other 3... although i do love it... you have to be retarded to argue the superiority of diggstown to any one of those 3... hell, i'd even go as far to say it's not even the best sports movie michael ritchie directed... i think the bad news bears is better... but they are both great films.

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check out the fights in charles bronsons Hard Times. you can almost feel each punch. although technicaly it isnt a boxing film but then neither is the quiet man (one of john waynes best films) i'd definately rate it over rocky any day. although rocky is still a good film.
i think diggstown is best appreciated as a comedy con movie rather than a boxing film. i think the all round package of the fights, comedy and the con work well. also it stars several of my favorite actors - james woods, louis gossett jr etc and especially heather graham. i love the ending twist, i still find it satisfying even though i know its coming up.

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Boxing movie? No, this is a boxing movie the same way The Sting is a poker movie.

It's a great and underappreciated movie, that is true, but the best boxing movies out there are Raging Bull, Rocky and The Harder They Fall. But this ranks with The Sting as one of the best con movies ever. Period.

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I also recommend "The Big Man", starring Liam Neeson and Billy Connolly. Another great under-rated movie, though it features bare-knuckle fighting rather than boxing per se. It has astonishing fight scenes too. Extremely graphic.

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This movie tries really hard to be a 'con movie' but IMHO does not measure up. A con artist steals your money, in many cases laughing in your face in the process. In this so called 'con', Honey boy had to really defeat the ten other guys inside the ring and could have (should have, realistically) failed. This does not amount to stealing your money, they really earned it the hard way and it was a total miracle they did.

This is a fun, entertaining comedy but for a good con movie please check out Matchstick Men or The Grifters.

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this is one of my favourite movies of all time. but can someone help me understand the twist at the end? did woods plan it or was it just a coincedence that torres happend to be picked by gillon for the final fight?

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Definately a coincidence. . . they thought they had won the final fight when Hagen was defeated. However, Caine is the sort of guy who would make sure everyone in the three neighboring counties was either someone Roy could take, or in his pocket.

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"this is one of my favourite movies of all time. but can someone help me understand the twist at the end? did woods plan it or was it just a coincedence that torres happend to be picked by gillon for the final fight?"

Bit of a late response here but better late then never, eh?

Caine planned the whole thing. Of course, he could never know for sure if Gillon would use Torres as one of his ringers, but just in case Caine staged that fight between Wolf and Torres at the beginning of the movie. Maybe he knew that Gillon was friends with the warden, maybe he didn't but my money says he knew. The best weapon a con man can have is information, and Caine didn't strike me as someone who would be easily caught off guard(Gillon sneaking Hammerhead Hagen into his boarding house notwithstanding). Wolf was probably considered a serious Diggstown contender so Caine knew that if Gillon heard that Torres whooped his ass, that he may try to use him.

Hope that helped...

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Maybe he knew that Gillon was friends with the warden, maybe he didn't but my money says he knew.


I don't think he had to know that they were friends. He engineers the fight at the very beginning so that Torres is the most feared fighter in the prison. Because of that, it's a dead cert that Gillon is going to use him. But, of course, Caine and Wolf have already paid him off. Caine doesn't need to know that the warden and Gillon were friends - the warden makes it pretty clear that he would do anything to screw Caine over. If someone the warden had never met walked in and said "I've got this bet going against this twerp Caine. Who's the best fighter in the prison?" the warden is going to leap at the chance to screw Caine. That's the big hustle at the centre of the movie - Caine's already engineered it so that the best boxer in the county will take a dive when told. The scam was well underway when they were in prison.

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wow.. I LOVE this movie.. but you know what? Diggstown isn't even Ritchie's BEST movie.. I call it a toss up between Bad News Bears and Fletch.. I haven't seen Semi-Tough where Ritchie takes on football.. might be interesting or not.

amd I think Diggstown boxing scenes aside.. really should be put more in line with films like The Sting (as someone suggested), and Ocean's 11.. CON JOB movies... it just so happens that their.. setting is a boxing match, granted it is a MAJOR portion of the movie.. but as much action goes on IN the ring.. that and 10 more is going on outside of it.

Not wanting to step on toes.. but.. c'mon.. its a great flick.. and definitely one of those I can NEVER let by on cable.. but better than Rocky? ummm.. no.. not even on backwards day.

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i agree with you about hard times. i don't think of this as a boxing movie in general i think of it as a well done entertainment, con, type of movie , like the sting was not neccessarilty about poker playing or horse racing..but the illusion of the art of the steal..

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My favorite.

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As much as I love this film, IMO you can't rank it up there with "the greats" for one simple reason: The ending is a complete cop-out. It's played for laughs, with no believable resolution. Are we to believe that Guillome would not instantly be arrested for murder?

Just ridiculous.

This is a movie that never decided wether to be a complete comedy or a serious film. If they had left-out the hanging/ murder, it would be an excellent sports-related comedy. It could have easily also become more gritty and realistic, exporing the darker side of Guillome, but the director obviously wasn't trying to go there.

A wonderful film, but equal to Rocky or Raging Bull? Not a chance. But then, it wasn't trying to be.

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Is Diggstown a good movie? Without a doubt, it is my favorite of all time. Is it a "great" movie? No. Most "great" movies are central character driven epics that explore trials and inner struggles of a clear protagonist. Rocky, which I despise, is such a movie. Rocky is focused entirely on his struggle, on his personal devlopment. While I think it is wholly eroneous to fault Diggstown for intertwining serious and comedic elements, one this is clear, there is no one protagonist to this movie. This movie is as much about Gabriel Caine as it is about Roy Palmer, and even less so about them than it is about the con they are pulling off. Caine lacks the underlying dichotomy of would-be epic heros, and while Roy certainly overcomes some demons from his past (the night in Moline and the losses to Hammerhead Hagan) these are never the vexing issues that they would be were Roy an epic hero.

So, no, Diggstown cannot be the better boxing movie than Rocky, for the plain and simple fact that Diggstown is an intelligent comedy about boxing, but Rocky is a boxing epic and Rocky Balboa is an epic hero in that regard.

But I think it is also wrong to, as someone else did, pan the movie for incorporating elements of the serious along with elements of comedy. One need only look at works such as Chekhov's "Uncle Vanya" to see that theatrical minds have long accepted the blend of comedy and more serious forms of expression, such as tragedy, as perfectly legitimate. And it's hardly a cop-out that Gillon is not arrested at the immediate moment he loses the bet. You have to recall, the movie establishes him as a near tyrannical ruler of Diggstown, and the town police clearly took his marching orders. Also, Slim's hanging was still under investigation at that point. Furthermore, we don't really know what happens after Hambone punches him, just that Roy and Caine hang around the club till after everyone leaves. So, not only is it perhaps a bit premature to criticise the movie for not showing Gillon in handcuffs, for all you know he is led out in handcuffs after getting knocked on his behind by Hambone Busby.

I, for one, don't find the hanging of Slim Busby to be a detraction of any great degree from the overall goal of the movie. In fact, I think it reinforces the roles of protagonist and antagonist in the film in a way that would have been much less convincing had it not occurred. Prior to this (and the beating of Buster) this movie is little more than a better organized group of con-men taking a two-bit hustler to the cleaners. . . and you get to laugh at Sam Lester farting. After this, though, it takes on a greater purpose. This isn't simply some fast-talking con-man weaseling money out of another loathsome type, Caine and Roy are actually seeking justice against an unscrupulous man in the only way they know how. It's like Roy says when Caine proposes taking Gillon for everything he has "this isn't about money anymore." Without the hanging of Slim, that's really all it would have been about. Your heart just couldn't be into cheering for one criminal to get some money from another criminal. That, I think, is what makes the movie an appealing one. In the end it's not just simply a couple of gamblers getting rich, but justice has been done.

As to the complaint that more could have been done to enhance the serious aspects of the movie, I say to what purpose? Between the hanging of Slim, doping Diggs and leaving him a vegetable, beating Buster senseless, and murdering Wolf Forrester, I think the audience gets the point. Gillon is a bad man, and he needs to have his toys taken away, which Caine and Roy do. I don't think finding out that he tortures bunnies and takes annual outings to Bangkok to shag underage prostitutes really does anything to enhance our understanding of that fundamental point. Not every film that slips a little bit of bran in with the bread needs to be a hard-hitting expose on the depths of human depravity. Some of us just like to have a little bit of fun with a movie, and Diggstown gives you that in spades.

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wow you really thought about this movie

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I agree...I just thought it was a fun movie to kill an hour and a half watching...good, thought-out criticism though and informative reading

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Original poster is dead on. Even accepting the relevance of other posters' comments about this not being a traditional sports movie, so not compareable to movies like Rocky. The important thing is boxing as a central ingredient and Diggstown is the best movie (I've ever seen) where boxing is even mentioned.

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Most people who finally end up seeing this underrated classic immediately start comparing it to the most famous boxing films ever made.

That really does say two things:

1: That this film is of great quality.

2: When released the promotion team did a crap job and should be sued.


Rocky is iconic, but if i had a choice of watching Rocky or this, it would be this everytime, and i must say, give that option to those who've seen this already and they'll agree, they'll probably admit Rocky is the better film, but they'd rather be watching this.

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Love Diggstown....but you're wrong. Sorry.

Rocky is much better (it won an Academy Award for cryin' out loud)

Raging Bull (DiNero and Pesci....'nuff said)

Million Dollar Baby (clearly a better movie....but you could argue not quite a true "boxing movie"

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Is this "better" than Rocky or Raging Bull? No. Not by a long shot. It neither received, nor deserved, the kind of critical acclaim those movies garnered.

Is it the most fun boxing movie ever? Quite possibly. Is it more purely entertaining than Rocky or Raging Bull? Probably. Rocky is more serious. Raging Bull makes you think. Those aren't bad qualities (quite the contrary!), but Diggstown, lacking in self-importance is a great ride.

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