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Valeris (SPOILER)

posted 10 years ago by HarveyManfredSinJohn
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I'm not sure whether I need a 'SPOLIER' for a film this old, but I've seen other posters criticised for 'spoiling' less (i.e. for giving away plot points of even older films) so I'll be cautious...

Anyway, it bugs me that Valeris, a seemingly strong female character who was the first Vulcan to graduate at the top of her class at Starfleet Academy, turned out to be an evil traitor. Must intelligent, capable women always be exposed in these films to be deeply 'flawed'? Is this the message we want to send to young women (i.e. if you study hard and become the top of your class chances are you're an evil beetch)? Not smart.

[–] TheBoz 10 years ago

"Stupid girls, stupid girls..."-Pink

[–] memayse1701 10 years ago

It was originally supposed to be Saavik...so that might have been worse

[–] mtlddrms 10 years ago

From what I remember, I don't think she was evil. I think she believed that Klingons can never be trusted, therefore doing the things she did.

[–] TheSolarSailor 10 years ago

There was nothing "evil" about Valeris. She had a different point of view and was simply doing what she thought logical in regards to saving Starfleet. She was simply misguided as more is required than simple logic, as Spock tried to tell her.

This movie is NOT sending out bad messages to women. You are reading far too much into it.

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[–] bjlevine 10 years ago

You knew one of two things was going to happen with Volare...ERRR...Valeris. Being a "new" character, either she was going to die or she was going to be a conspirator.

And the only reason I can think of for making her a female character is because the mind-rape scene might have been a bit edgy had Valeris been a dude.

"Lovey-dovey. Bonk bonk on the head!"

[–] kerryedavis 10 years ago

Actually, I suspect few people would have thought it was "rape" to begin with, if it had been another male.