What happened to it, during the Search for Spock the Excelsior was due to pursue the Enterprise after it left space dock.
So why in the Undiscovered Country it no longer has this technology, if it did it would have been able to assist the Enterprise sooner than it did.
Maybe this has been asked before but i didnt see anything about it.
Pretty sure that it was explained away in some book as being a failure. They revived the term Trans Warp in Voyager, in one of the worst episodes of that series (hard to believe, I know).
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ah i see, thx for clearing that up
shareThey revived the term Trans Warp in Voyager
Transwarp was supposed to be based on the 'wormhole' affect we see in STTMP when the Enterprise's warp engines are imbalanced. Hence the stout nature of the Excelsior class ships, to handle the rough ride in transwarp. It never worked out and they abandoned the technology, but kept the ship design for that class of star ship.
What they 'revived' later in TNG and Voyager was 'transwarp conduits' that the Borg used to travel great distances, and therefore got around the entire galaxy, easier. I don't believe they ever explained it well, other than it was a system of conduits that allowed the ships to travel at speeds greater than warp. Not sure if it was the same technology either.
In Voyager they also had the 'slipstream' warp technology that Star Fleet was working on in order to get Voyager back from the Delta quadrant.
i read somewhere that (maybe it was the books or w/e) that scotty actually got rewarded for sabotaging the ship in star trek 3 because after that they discovered that using the trans warp would have destroyed the ship!
shareActually, a huge "backfire" followed by the warp nacelles falling off might have been funny.
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In Voyager they also had the 'slipstream' warp technology that Star Fleet was working on in order to get Voyager back from the Delta quadrant.
The technology was not invented by Starfleet, it was invented by a species in the Delta Quadrant who had been assimilated by the Borg.
But i would not be surpriced if Starfleet actually began studying the technology for Starfleet wessels after Voyager came home in order to see if it could be used on special deep space exploration ships.
"Transwarp drive" was discovered to be a repackaging of Windows Vista and quickly dispensed with.
shareWhat Sulu actualy says is "It's SUPPOSED to have Transwarp Drive," so we don't know if it actually does. He might actually be talking about some kind of failure, or his reasons for not accepting command.
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We know from TOS that the Enterprise was capable of transwarp speeds for short periods of time (The Changeling, By Any Other Name, That Which Survives). I think that based on TNG, they just created a new warp speed grading system for the faster ships, still maxing out at 10.
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I always figured it was like swirl port injection and electronic fuel injection-- it gets a name and hype when it's new, but the terminology disappears as it becomes standard.
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We know from TOS that the Enterprise was capable of transwarp speeds for short periods of time (The Changeling, By Any Other Name, That Which Survives). I think that based on TNG, they just created a new warp speed grading system for the faster ships, still maxing out at 10.
Warp drive requires a "prop" in TNG?
Picard: "Mister Data, warp 5."
Data: "Aye sir. Clear!"
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I think the terrible Voyager episode the poster was talking about was when they achieved Warp 10 or "Infinite Velocity" where they said they would be travelling so fast that they would be touching every point in the universe simultaneously. The only side effect is that it turns you into a salamander.
but considering how easily the doctor fixed that problem they should have continued testing it and learned how to pick their destination
shareThat's what I hate about TNG retconning what Warp speeds mean. Last I checked, they haven't modified what Mach 1 or Lightspeed refers to. The original Enterprise occassionally went faster than Warp 10 without touching every point in the universe.
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Maybe we're misinterpreting. They only said "It's SUPPOSED to have Trans-Warp drive." Maybe it really doesn't.
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But when they were going to pursue Kirk, they were going to USE it. So it definitely did have it. Scotty just kept it from working.
shareOne theory - the trans-warp drive (as it was known then) DID work. There are model differences between ST:III and ST:VI, but none have to do with the engines.
We do know the warp scale was changed between TOS and TNG, with warp 10 becoming the maximum - perhaps the Excelsior drive was the reason why. It worked and became the standard engine design. Perhaps that was why they were in such a hurry to retire the Ent-A.
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I get the idea that trans-warp never worked, as we never see Sulu order for it in TUC.
At least they didn't call it Super-Warp drive.
I don't know exactly how the scale was changed between TOS and TNG. I remember reading something along the lines of warp speed being C raised to warp factor cubed (warp 1 = 1 times the speed of light, 2 = C^8, 3 = C^27...).
But if TNG scale is warp 1 = C, and warp 10 is infinity, then how do you grade it? Is warp 5 half of infinity? Or 1000th of infinity?
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It's an equation with an asymptote at WF = 10, meaning the value just curves close but never actually touches it. You may get to 9.99999999999999....etc, but never 10.
To demonstrate, map out the equation: Y = 1/(10-X).
X: 0, Y: 1/10
X: 1, Y: 1/9
X: 2, Y: 1/8
X: 3, Y: 1/7
X: 4, Y: 1/6
X: 5, Y: 1/5
X: 6, Y: 1/4
X: 7, Y: 1/3
X: 8, Y: 1/2
X: 9, Y: 1
X: 9.5, Y: 2
X: 9.75, Y: 4
X: 10, Y: <infinity>
Ten is an invalid number. Any number greater than 10, in this case, results in a negative number.
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TNG contradicts itself, then, with the final episode. When picard is "leaping" between past, present and future he finds himself aboard an Enterprise D with 3 nacelles and captained by a Riker who orders "warp 13". Kinda raised my hackles at the time.
shareProbably figured that if you could almost get to warp 10 with two nacelles than you should be able to get to warp 15 with 3 nacelles.
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