Stupid Shapeshifter


Why didn't she just shape shift to prove she's not Kirk?

Also why does she keep the same voice except when she's in his form?

I don't give a f*@K about a troll who doesn't pay for his opinion telling me how to review movies.

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why does she keep the same voice except when she's in his form?
Three (not mutually exclusive) possibilities:

(1) She needed them to recognize her when she took on the alien form while helping them escape.

(2) It made them likelier to trust her.

(3) It really was her natural voice, and while she was capable of disguising it, that would take energy she needed to conserve, so she only did it as a last resort.
Why didn't she just shape shift to prove she's not Kirk?
Now, there you got me. The whole "fighting with an evil doppelganger" is an ancient cliche, and it was even used in an episode of the original Star Trek series, where Kirk fights a double of himself. But you're right, it doesn't make sense here that she'd be trying to make the prison people think she was Kirk, given that the whole point of leading him there was so they could kill him.

And you didn't even mention the biggest absurdity in this scene: if the prison people intended to shoot them both, why didn't they just do it right away? Why did they first shoot who they determine is the alien chick, and then give Kirk a moment so they can explain their nefarious plans to him? The scene was creating a gag based on the "talking killer" cliche, the joke being that Kirk and McCoy are beamed to safety exactly one second before they get a chance to find out who it was who set them up. Unfortunately, the scene kind of forces it and doesn't hold up to logical scrutiny.

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Indeed. It's just one of many,many bizarre and plain daft things that happen in this movie.I attempted to point out a few before and was drowned in an avalanche of abuse for daring to 'troll' Star Trek and have any sort of opinion.As it happens I am a huge Trek fan,however there are just so many odd elements within this movie that have always bothered me.They are numerous but I will have a go at highlighting some-The scene at the start when the C and C gives his briefing.Kirk says 'Where's Sulu?'.One would have thought he would know he was Captaining Excelsior. Also the 'Let them Die' line he says to Spock is referenced by Valeris later in the film.Only Spock was present to hear it. The completely over the top use of antique or 20th Century objects-pots and pans,the paper flip chart and antique lamps and décor in the Chancellors office,the Klingon language 'books'.Even the Klingons roll out a PAPER map scroll.No doubt I will be lambasted again by fans giving me reasons for it all.In Star Trek II we saw a few antiques on display in Kirks home because he had a fondness for antiques. The phasers used during the attack on Kronos 1 are tearing open holes in the Klingons bodies.When have we ever seen a phaser do this? Why are the Enterprise and Kronos 1 limping along at Impulse Power? In the battle at the end the Bird of Prey is blasting holes in the Enterprise despite the fact the shields are up.It may be cloaked but it doesn't have the ability to wreak such damage.On the Klingon ice world why does the shape shifter lead them towards the edge of a massive cliff.Yeah it makes a nice shot but its's...er..daft. The scene mentioned in this thread.Non-sensical. How is Uhura able to 'listen in' to the events happening on Kronos 1 when Kirk and Bones beam aboard.We've never seen her use the communications console like that before.Why and how is Kirk's trial being beamed to the Enterprise view screen? The 'Scooby Doo' style unmasking of the bad guy at the end. Pretty much every line uttered by Uhura is nonsense. "..rigged for Silent Running" ??? What? As I said Im a Star Trek fan but I just don't understand the reverence held for this movie.I think it's terrible from start to finish.

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Yep, you said it right.

Star Trek 6 is a fun movie, but in the end it's a stupid movie.

However, ...
...because it's fun, well directed, it has a nice score, nice effects, well acted, well written characters (sort of), you don't pay much attention to the stupid things that are happening.

And that's fine. That's good filmmaking too. There are lot's of films that have a stupid plot, or stupid things in them, but because they are so well made, it doesn't matter.

Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness on the other hand, has a.d.d. editing, a forgettable score, idiotic characters, laughable villain AND a stupid plot.

Mind you, i'm not trying to argue with you or whatever. You are correct 100 %. I'm just trying to say that because the movie is well made, people forgive it for it's stupid plot.


I'm just on my way up to Clavius.

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Fair point. I love stupid movies too.The 'B' movies and corny Roger Corman type stuff.But ever since Star Trek VI came out I've been bewildered by the blind adoration for it amongst fans.

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bewildered by the blind adoration for it amongst fans
Completely concur with this.

For me this is, and always has been, the worst of the TOS films and I find it's high rating utterly perplexing.

I've just been rewatching the film series - post Beyond's release - and again been caught out by this one. For me it just seems to have that strange cosplay-ish feel the Carpet series' suffered from and the lighting is really off - e.g. The darkness around the edges of the conference room at the start, the same for the Klingon Court (filmed on the same dark floored stage?), and the weird darkness around the edges of the transporter room. They combine to give this a really cheap feel, which I think is even worse than Shatner's infamous rock monster in V!

I do love the ending on the bridge and the cast literally signing off, but otherwise The Final Frontier's Campfire scene, Bones' memories of his father, and even the ambiguity of the Sybok's character make me feel like that is the better film. Yet it is almost universally regarded as the worst, with VI being rated as one of the best. Weird...

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Spot on.

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It's a fun stupid/smart movie.

While it has moments of silliness, such as the shapeshifter gag (which I loved in spite of its silliness, or maybe because of it), it also has a lot of knowing Cold War metaphors and commentary about struggling to overcome long held prejudices.

It should also be noted that such acclaimed movies as Vertigo and Casablanca hinge on a series of wildly improbable coincidences and contrivances to drive the plot forward.

Time to make up a new signature.

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