Okay, I have watched a whole lot of horrorflicks in my days, and today I got ahold of this old gem, which I've never seen before. The feeling I got from watching this was that it was so...unfair I guess the word is.
Usually the ghosts in movies have been exposed to something unjust which they need to deal with before they can move on.
Now...WHAT THE HELL had the bad guys been exposed of? They killed a little kid and traumatized his brother half to death. Now they can take physical shape, kill people however they want and also become invisible. All because they want revenge of the kid who THEY did something unjust to.
Is it just me that found everything very unfair? I have never responded like this when watching a horrorflick, but this one just rubbed me the wrong way I guess.
I love this flick. I want to be a greaser now. Well, I've wanted to be a greaser since I first saw it ,so.....that's.......fourteen years.
They going to kill the both of them. Since they have only killed one, they will now toy with the other until the time is right.
I know it doesn't sound very nice, but it's not supposed to be. Just be thankful that you haven't seen the other two movies. Please don't they are the worst movies I have ever had the bad luck seeing.
But, even though it rubbed you wrong, I'm happy someone else has seen this movie I love so much. I mean really love. Just look at my id.
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By me saying that it rubbed me the wrong way, I didn't necessarely mean it was bad. I just thought it was extremely...unfair, the ghosts motives and powers. No restrictions whatsoever.
I love this movie and I'm so glad this board is here!
As for justification, if you remember at the end, Jim says that he stole the key to their car. They didn't have the key so the train hit them and they died. They weren't supposed to is how I took it so they came back because they wanted revenge on their own deaths but at the same time were completely oblivious to the fact that they unjustly murdered someone. Granted that original murder was accidential and if they had killed Jim, one, we wouldn't have a movie and two, THAT would have been intentional. It was a stupid death, Wayne's, but they didn't mean to do it. Granted if they weren't asses to begin with, they wouldn't have ended up *beep* creek.
"Usually the ghosts in movies have been exposed to something unjust which they need to deal with before they can move on."
And that is exactly what happened here. The three spirits couldn't rest easy because they believed they died wrongly. Remember, Vinnie saw little Jimmy pick up, pocket, and run off with their car key - leaving them stranded in their car with a train bearing down on them. In death, they believed they shouldn't have died.
Like SunsetWriter13 said, Wayne's death was clearly an accident. Yes, they were a gang of bullies, but in their minds, they were just picking on a couple of rich kids for amusement and some extra bucks. Goofing around, they accidently threw Wayne into Lawson's blade. It was a mistake. And judging by their faces, they knew it.
But I don't agree that they came back to kill Jimmy because they failed to the first time. Sure, their malicious spirits desired retribution now, but at the original event, I really don't think they were going to kill 8-year-old Jim just to keep him from pointing fingers at them. Intimidation, absolutely, but they weren't necessarily BAD kids; none of them struck me as cold-blooded murderers in their lifetime.
If you want to read further into their characters, I kinda felt sorry for them because they were probably from unstable homes. When he came back, Lawson made an attempt to explain something his old man used to do to him, and considering his overall demeanor, I can see Lawson as coming from a slightly abusive family. Vinnie's countenance said to me that he was brooding, resentful, and complex; watch him in moments where he isn't trying so hard to be the center of attention (he plays off leader-Lawson a lot) and he appears ... well, almost thoughtfully sadistic. I can see him in a single-mother household - take note that he is the only one of the three badasses not in leather (in other words, less money in the family). North, I think, was the only "normal" one; he was like their comic relief, almost, judging by his fake laugh used way too often. And then Mueller, the kid in overalls; says to me he gave up school for work.
Anyhow ...
In death, sure, they were intent on only harm. But that's what their spirits took to the grave with them, their final unfair moment and the person they felt was responsible for that.
I like to consider them spirits, not B-horror movie monsters. And I don't think you can say they have "powers". It's a supernatural event, and as far as I know, there really are no restrictions in the afterlife. Sure, they hadn't yet been judged, else they would have passed through Limbo instead of hanging onto the moment of their death for a chance to come back, but they were malicious and haunting Jim. The only people they killed off were those they needed to; remember, they couldn't enter the world of the living without sacrificing someone else, to take their place. They didn't kill any "innocent bystanders" besides the three they needed to; after that, they went for the people closely tied to the original event.
In a psychological way, they really weren't "invisible" but only able to be seen by either those who believe in otherworldly happenings, or those they chose to have see them. Which is why no one else saw the ghosts unless they were directly involved with the actions taking place.
If you want to read further into their characters, I kinda felt sorry for them because they were probably from unstable homes. When he came back, Lawson made an attempt to explain something his old man used to do to him, and considering his overall demeanor, I can see Lawson as coming from a slightly abusive family.
I own the movie without subtitles and I can't figure out what he is saying in that scene. Can anyone help? (when Lawson is in Jim's class and he asks: why you keep staring at me mr Norman?-then he says this thing about his old man but I can't understand it) :\
Yeah, I couldn't exactly understand what Lawson was trying to say either. He doesn't get the chance before Mr. Norman cuts him off.
"You may not know it, but my old man...."
I figure Lawson was trying to play of Mr. Norman's shocked expression at seeing someone who resembled a person that killed his brother decades ago sitting in his hometown classroom. Perhaps Lawson would have said something like:
"You keep staring right at me, Mr. Norman. You may not know it, but my old man grew up here so maybe you're mistaking me for him. We look a hell of a lot alike. Maybe you went to school here together, since he'd be about your age."
Lawson is simply starting to play mind games with Mr. Norman, that's all. Mr. Norman, upon seeing Lawson is probably thinking to himself, "No Fng way! That guys a dead ringer for the punk that killed my brother! I'll never forget his face! This kid looks and acts just like him!"
You see, King is an educated man. Had a really good education, including science courses and so forth. All that knowledge is IN his books, including a sort of naturalistic approach to the supernatural. In particular the idea that supernatural phenomena are tied to some sort of physical laws.
What we see in nature is the ebb and flow of and interaction between forces in the environment. Some years the winters are colder. Some years there are more hurricanes. Some years certain species overbreed and are everywhere. The ebb and flow of nature. etc.
And in King's world, supernatural phenomena also ebb and flow according to some hidden laws of nature.
Thus, sometimes....they come back.... Just like some years fruit flies are everywhere and some years you can hardly find one.
I agree. I found it very unjust for Jim. He's been going through hell for the past 27 years trying to cope with his brother's death, but that's nothing compared to what he's about to encounter when he moves back home.
I like to think of the story as more of a psychological barrier for Jim to overcome (rather than as a horror movie with people coming back from the dead, blood, destruction, deaths, etc.)
Jim witnessed the death of his favorite person in the world (as well as 3 others) at a very young age. And he was partly responsible for the deaths of those 3 by taking their keys and running away.
So he was traumatized by this ever since, and when he moved back home to where it all happened, the situation got way-more real and intense, and so he had no choice but to tackle this problem head-on and get past it once and for all.
The people "coming back" were all just to help him re-live the experience as an adult. And this time, he wasn't going to run away--He was going to face the bullies and put up the best fight that he possibly could. And he was going to say a proper "Goodbye" to his brother.
So my interpretation of the film is that nobody died, nobody's car went up in flames, and nothing got demolished. It was all just a war that went on his head that he needed to win so that he could FINALLY put an end to the nightmares and breakdowns in order to become the good family-man and teacher that he was capable of being.
Laugh at that all you want, but this interpretation works best for me. I thought that it was a very-good movie, and Tim Matheson did one heckuva job!
Dude, this is just the exact same thing I always wondered about with the Freddy Kruger stoy and he was just the exact same thing only worst cuz he was a multiple pedophile child murderer who got torched to a crisp by a mob of angry which was JUST what he deserved. And yet he still gets to come back and continue a rain of evil with the power of a god. Where's the logic in that?
"And he was partly responsible for the deaths of those 3 by taking their keys and running away."
With all due respect, I don't think he ever had any regrets taking their car key, as they had just killed his big brother. The only thing that traumatized him all those years was his brother's death.
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I agree with you, It was exactly what i thought. Why would they get to come back? They murdered a young kid and then got smashed by a train, didn't make alot of sense but either way it was a decent flick.