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Honestly??? Is this a pro religious or anti film?


I watched this movie for the 1st time out of the blue. I laughed in several parts out loud becoz it was so fairy tale- ish. God is going to save u BS. Throughout the whole movie I was thinking this shed a really irrational and down right stupid projection of believing in god. I couldn't figure out why she believed, believed and then doubted. Shooting her daughter was f."'! ridiculuos then not shooting herself becoz that's suicide. I was raised catholic btw and certainly am not that now.

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This movie was a sad interpretation of what the whole message of Christianity is. You can tell the director wasn't a Christian. It treated it like a cult of empty, lost people. It was like a B movie with well known actors. It was such a disappointment & so far from the truth. Has anyone wondered why Christianity has lasted over 2,000 yrs with some of the most brilliant minds ever born who have studied their entire life & never stopped learning.

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If age is a requirement, then Judaism is a better religion than Xianity. Plus Jews have more Nobel Prize winners than any other religion. Many movements in Judaism teach people to question EVERYTHING, even G-d. The same cannot be said of Xianity.

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You know who's even BETTER at teaching people to question everything, and has the largest number of members of the National Academy of Sciences AND the smallest percentage of the prison population?

Atheists.






I still believe that peace and plenty and happiness can be worked out some way. I am a fool.

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You know who's even BETTER at teaching people to question everything, and has the largest number of members of the National Academy of Sciences AND the smallest percentage of the prison population?

Atheists.
That's quite true. I have a number of atheist friends and they can quote the Bible better than anyone I know.

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If age is a requirement, then Judaism is a better religion than Xianity. Plus Jews have more Nobel Prize winners than any other religion. Many movements in Judaism teach people to question EVERYTHING, even G-d. The same cannot be said of Xianity.
The problem is, a person who is born a Jew is considered 'chosen by God' even if they choose to convert or forsake the religion of their birth. They are still by merit of being descended from the 'Twelve Tribes of Israel' chosen.

By contrast, nobody is 'born' a Christian or 'born' or a Muslim, and so on, and even where they are raised as such, they will not remain a Christian or a Muslim for life unless they choose to be.

Of course, people can convert to Judaism, as they can convert to Christianity and Islam, and so on, but it requires a conversion exam, which not all Jewish sects approve of, and of course, an adult raised outside the religion will experience hurdles/obstacles in becoming a Jew that someone born into the faith, and raised from an early age to understand Hebrew, will not have to face.

By the way I'm not pro nor anti-religion, far less anti-Judaism. All religions have their problems, but I don't think it's the place of atheists to sneer at believers who keep their own faith to themselves, their family (whilst accepting that their children may make their own choice to reject that religion as they grow older) and others within that religion who share similar beliefs. If their religion makes them happy (and the stats demonstrate that the theists tend to be, on balance, happier, and live longer lives than atheists/agnostics - you may say that they're ignorant, but in this case, maybe 'ignorance is bliss') let them be I say.

However, if you are going to specifically single-out Christianity for criticism and suggest Judaism is 'superior', please bear in mind the relatively exclusive nature of Judaism. You're effectively saying that a fairly restricted club is 'superior', which is similar to the same types of anti-Semitic snobs who'd discriminate against Jews for not belonging to the 'right race' or the 'right class' a few generations ago.

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The problem is, a person who is born a Jew is considered 'chosen by God' even if they choose to convert or forsake the religion of their birth.
This is true, but it's mostly the Orthodox and Evangelical Xians who believe it more than the Average Jew.
Of course, people can convert to Judaism, as they can convert to Christianity and Islam, and so on, but it requires a conversion exam, which not all Jewish sects approve of, and of course, an adult raised outside the religion will experience hurdles/obstacles in becoming a Jew that someone born into the faith, and raised from an early age to understand Hebrew, will not have to face.
But, again, that is mostly the Orthodox. If you are part of one of the other "movements", they don't care so much.
However, if you are going to specifically single-out Christianity for criticism and suggest Judaism is 'superior', please bear in mind the relatively exclusive nature of Judaism. You're effectively saying that a fairly restricted club is 'superior', which is similar to the same types of anti-Semitic snobs who'd discriminate against Jews for not belonging to the 'right race' or the 'right class' a few generations ago.
That was not my intent at all. I was simply replying to this:
Has anyone wondered why Christianity has lasted over 2,000 yrs with some of the most brilliant minds ever born who have studied their entire life & never stopped learning.


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This (brilliant) film is saying, "Yes, God is real...and No, He does not deserve our love or respect."

The final scene is about the lead character holding god accountable for the torture he allows people to go through in his "perfect" world. The character of Sharon isn't willing to lie at the end and say she just LOVES God, and everything's just hunky-dory.

She seems open to it if she'd been able to ask this "god" why his world was created the way it was. But in this film, God doesn't deign to appear to her before demanding her allegiance and obedience, and love and respect...so she's like, "Well, you know what? F%ck you."

Which is actually a pretty rational and adult response, compared to those who swallow religion and what it tells them to do in a completely selfish attempt to buy themselves a free ride in "heaven", later on. The character of Sharon finally refuses to compromise herself in that way.
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cookiela
That's some good stuff you wrote... well Im agnostic so I guess it fits my thinking, kind-of.

Have any of you seen Jacob's Ladder? ( Please do so if you haven't... GREAT movie )
Anyways, one of the themes in Jacob's Ladder was purgatory... the protagonist could not accept certain things, and because of that, he was 'going through Hell'
I won't say anymore, but ya similar themes...
I loved The Rapture because I really didn't expect that ending... well the part when the Rapture actually happened

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I watched this movie for the 1st time out of the blue. I laughed in several parts out loud becoz it was so fairy tale- ish. God is going to save u BS.

It was not laughable at all. In fact it was quite telling. while many religious beliefs are irrational, there are many aspects that are beneficial and positive. And don't think I am getting all religious on you, I am agnostic. But to be so self-righteous in hating on others beliefs is just as bad as the religious crowd and how they act.
Throughout the whole movie I was thinking this shed a really irrational and down right stupid projection of believing in god. I couldn't figure out why she believed, believed and then doubted.

Again, you are hating on others belief systems. This film actually did pretty decent job of showing the mentality of humankind and how we search for meaning. I minored in human geography. Many of my studies concerned the beliefs of humans and how and why those beliefs came into being. People are always searching for meaning. Why do you think so many who do not believe in god throw their belief system into the science ring? Science is a god to many who do not choose religion. They want to know where we came from and how we got here. The processes involved and where they will lead us.
Shooting her daughter was f."'! ridiculuos then not shooting herself becoz that's suicide. I was raised catholic btw and certainly am not that now.

Of course it was ridiculous. That was the whole point. That was showing the side of religion that is absurd. Like one of my favorite songs says, "do it in the name of heaven and you can justify it in the end." The song is called, "One Tin Soldier," and is about how we treat other people. People use their religion, whether that religion be chrisianity, islam, or science, to justify all sorts of atrocities. And often times these people are hypocritical and make little sense. She killed her daughter because she had the idea her god wanted her to. However, you are incorrect about why she did not kill herself. She did not kill herself because she was too afraid to do it. She never said she did not kill herself because suicide means you go to hell. That is strictly a catholic belief, not something you find in evangelicals. But the point here is that she allowed her belief system to justify her doing something irrational and horrendous.

Ok, so is this film pro or anti religion. While I believe the film did show a good side to religion, in that she and her husband actually were able to utilize religion to help them get out of a very destructive lifestyle, it also showed how irrational religion can be. Thus you saw the destructive side of religion. In the end you saw her not being able to justify loving a god who wanted her to love him/her but would allow her to murder her daughter. Honestly I took the ending of the movie as if it were really happening. It could be that she had gone insane and imagined the whole thing. But if it really happened then we actually see an interesting take on what could happen if any of us were put in the situation of having a god tell us that we simply had to love him. The film is obvious fantasy. However, when we suspend our believe system to view this film we can put ourselves in the place of the character dealing with this situation. I know I have always questioned a god who supposedly says we are ALL his children, yet allows all the pain and suffering we see in the world. How could any being allow their children to be tortured, starved, abused, and everything else we see in our world? How could her god allow her to take her own child's life believing she was doing so in his name? Once she got as close as she could to confronting god, without accepting him into her heart again, she could not justify or honestly love him/her. So I see the film as not truly being anti-religion, I do see it showing the absurdity that can spring from religion. It also tackles how one might deal with their god while trying to logically justify loving their god.

I really need to watch the film again. I found it profound. Most Christians I know hate the film. the scene where she kills her daughter haunts me. But it shows how religion can be such a horrible thing. Remember Abraham was willing to murder his son, or so the bible says, in the name of his god. And every believer will tell you what wonderful faith Abraham had and how great he was. You will hear the believers tell you they wish they had faith like Abraham. What you should be hearing is people saying how horrible it is that a person would be willing to kill their child because a voice told them to. That is called mental illness. But religion teaches us it is faith and a good thing. I think when she killed her daughter she had an epiphany, albeit to late, about how wrong it was for god to want us to love him/her, while allowing these things to occur.

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I really doubt you laughed at this film. You're disappointed because the story wasn't lead the way you wanted. You wanted a film which mocked religions and their beliefs. This film is neither anti or pro religion. It doesn't cast judgments on them.

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