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EXPLAINED! Why Mrs Bates is young in this movie and old in the others!


There is a line in the film where Norman says "I couldn't make her voice sound as sweet as it was, she was dead and in my mind she grew old." so thats why :P.

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Ah! Of course, that would explain it! I've always wondered about that. Well done for figuring it out!

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Yyyyyyyesss... but what about the flashback in Psycho 2 where you see his reflection as a child in the doorknob and he looks about seven? And you hear his mum asking him what he put in her tea and it was obviously hot tea, not iced, and then you see her hand fall past the open door and it is definitely an old looking hand.

That's just a discrepancy that can't be explained away I think *shrug*

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The flashback was in his mind, and she was old in his mind. So therfore she was old.

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Still don't buy it.

Doesn't bother me though =) Put up with it for 12 years so far and will continue to do so. heehheee

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Mrs Bates was only old in Norman's mind, but she was young when he killed her. And about when we see an old hand and a young boy in Psycho II, then that was all just in Norman's mind again, it wasn't real. He was imagining that his mother was old and that he poisoned her with hot tea.

That's my explanation at least. But all those plot holes that are in Psycho IV are not really plot holes at all because Joseph Stefano decided to ignore the other two sequels when he was writing Psycho IV. So it's simple, there are no plot holes if you think about it like that.

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If you want to think of Psycho IV as a sequel....
Norman imagines an old woman because this shows the personification of evil. The rough, screaming voice and the physical gestures. Like a witch.

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What we see in this movie makes more sense than that little flash in Psycho II. An 8 year old (Oz Perkins' age when that scene was shot) could not have lost his father, had his mother meet another man, build the motel, develop sexual feelings for his mother, kill her, be left alone with the house/motel, dig up her corpse and stuff it. Nor could a woman over 60 have a biological child that young. Norman was born in the 1930s before medical science allowed these over 50 year old women to have children.

On the other hand this movie gives us late teens Norman murdering his 40ish mother. Late teens is a reasonable age for townsfolk to see him as a "young boy" who tragically lost his mother but old enough to be left alone in the family home, not put into foster care.

That scene in Psycho II took place in Norman's sick mind and was a product of the memory of a reformed schizophrenic.

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The discrepancy in Mother's age came about due to the original casting choice of Anthony Perkins as Norman Bates. In the book, Norman is in his 50s so it would make sense for his mother to be in her 70s but in the movie Norman is in his early/mid-twenties meaning that if Mother was really the age she is depicted in the movie she'd have had him in her 50s! I did notice that in the remake she was shown younger, I'd guess around 50 which would make more sense if she was the mother of Vince Vaughn's Norman.

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I wouldn't even attempt to correlate Psycho 98' with any of the others being 1-4 or any...


Same with Psycho House or whatever it was...ugh, trash.

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I was just commenting how she seemed younger in the remake, more in line with the age you would expect Norman's mother to be if he was in his late 20s :-)

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