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Opening doesn't make any sense.


It may have made sense during shooting but in the final cut I'm afraid it doesn't add up and isn't very clear.

Seagal had a big say in how the final cut turned out and sat in on the editing process with director John Flynn. Originally the film was much longer and featured more plot and characters. Seagal was concerned about William Forsythe upstaging him so he had he severely cut down the screen time of Richie Madano. This is the reason why two lengthy montages appear in the movie with the dialogue muted out and a 91-minute running time.

At the beginning we see Gino and Bobby sitting in a van waiting for a "$2 million hit" to go down. I'm not really sure what this refers to. A "$2 million dollar bust" might have made more sense. There are also a few other cops hiding nearby waiting for this so-called "hit". But when Gino spots King slapping one of his hookers around he can't just sit and do nothing so he blows the cover. The other cops are only too happy to reveal themselves and secure King and his men,

The film then cuts to an undisclosed location where Richie and his cohorts open the hatch to a safe room containing lots of drugs and money. Where is this place? Why is it all there? Is this connected to the "hit" Bobby mentioned? If so why wasn't Richie's name mentioned to convince Gino to stay focused? If Richie was involved I feel a single line of dialogue to orientate the audience would have helped.

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All that effort from Seagal and Forsythe still managed to steal the film. Unfortunately we may never see a director's cut, Flynn passed away a short time ago, not that he would have necessarily been granted the privelage by Seagal or the film company.

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The opening sting had nothing to do with Ritchie. Ritchie became a target once he killed Bobby, later in the film.

It's not that difficult to understand.

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Read my OP carefully.

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You're awfully snarky for someone who can't follow a Seagal movie.

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In watching the opening scene again, there is a possibility that Richie was involved in the two million dollar hit/bust that Bobby is referring to. Perhaps, Bobby and the other cops were unaware that Richie was involved, or possibly behind the whole operation.

There may have been deleted footage or dialogue linking the events and characters together.

I always thought the bust had to do with King and his men, but i can see what you are getting at, Gator_MacReady. It does seem now like Gino got too distracted from the actual hit/bust they were there for, when he saw King hitting the hooker, and ended up blowing their cover by storming up (along with the other officers) to King and his men.

As a viewer, we are left to assume there is no connection between what goes on in the opening scene, and what happens after the film title credit appears. It is never explained where all the money and drugs came from, that Richie opens in the hidden safe. Again, we are left to assume that Richie was running some form of big money making drug operation. References are made early in the film to Richie being a dope dealer. Gino also advises his captain that he will feed him information on every dope dive that Richie has, in exchange for letting him deal with things, his way.

As one other reader pointed out, William Forsythe still stole the film, regardless of how much footage of him was cut, at Seagal's request.

Some of that cut footage of Forsythe has appeared on network TV at times, presumably to compensate for the amount of violence and language cut from the network TV version.

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Seagal was concerned about William Forsythe upstaging him so he had he severely cut down the screen time of Richie Madano.


I find this fascinating. Seeing as how a bowl of oatmeal could act circles around Seagal, I wonder if every other actor who's ever appeared in one of his movies has been treated the same way. Where did you hear it?


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Where did you hear it?

From Forsythe himself.

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